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:''I saw you editing things! I'll just clean up in here...history reveals all that's been proposed/asked and all that. I'll just do one thing at a time so your page is not such a mess, my bad.'' - Edit comment 04:56, 28 January 2015 by Novaster
 
  
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== Its this new? ==
  
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''On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)''
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Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Should be back to normal! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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:I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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''Well I feel awful for doing the wrong thing/causing confusion when I wanted to do the right thing and not cause confusion! - restoring/compiling history into a show/hide tab as best I can.'' -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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== Curiosity about wiki issues ==
  
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Below compiled from page history (hope I didn't miss anything):
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Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.
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:This works, thank you! (no need to feel bad, I know you were just trying to help!) I've moved it to archived so this can be less confusing :) --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 23:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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==Icon Fixes==
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Went through and "fixed" rarity icons. All that's left is outdated filenames on the [[Supply Depot]] page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on [[Rarity]] page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to [[Supply Depot Sale]] stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.
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*[[:Category:Armor ankle attachment]]: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like [[Splash Sarong]] for example, thats the most recent one i added).
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*[[ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer]]: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the [[:Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed]], only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
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*[[Recon (MotT)]]: This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.
  
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Just got fed up with a switch system, but I realize this sort of "reuploading things to better names" activity isn't ideal. There's a lot of inconsistencies on the wiki when it comes to this sort of thing (materials, perks, etc), and well, I've decided that it's not worth anybody's time (certainly not mine) to "fix" this sort of issue by reuploading files to better names, when you can just make an ugly (but functional) switch. There's more reasons than time though:
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I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz [[Smitty]] was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes <code><nowiki>[[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]]</nowiki></code> so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
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:1) the game could give multiple functions to a single entity, as with "buff" effects (pickup items as well as triggered by monsters on each other or battle sprites on knights is just one example) - I just fixed duplicate file issues regarding these today
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:2) the game could change the arsenal classification of an item to be another arsenal classification, potentially rendering filenames inaccurate, and a hassle to "fix" if there's hundreds of them. But nobody really sees filenames except editors, so inaccurate filenames of this specific kind don't matter as long as published page content is clear, right?
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:3) we are at risk of losing easy access to archive data using the "reupload to a better filename to fix" method. I've often used the date an original icon was uploaded to make sense of the order of events. For example, I used the file history of the accessory icons for several of the older Round Shade accessory items to try and discern the relative date Round Shades were first released (not everything has release notes or admin posts), and a few others.
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In the future, I'll be sure to just deal with a messy switch that only editors who have to muck around with code have to see. I'll "fix" odds and ends that I see though, like if someone just uploads a file to ads;jkflhasdfjkh.jpg or something like that :)
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== Spam? ==
  
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should I put the above reasons in a sort of "how to wiki" guide (a few of us are planning on revamping the style guide page to be more up to date), if you think they're prudent/correct?
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I edited [[User:Riteshpatil|this]]. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
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'''P.D:''' The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...
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:<code>Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by '''Clotho'''.
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:: I've fixed the icons. I'm not sure why you have to reupload them when it's so much easier to move the images to a better name. Just provide me with a specific list and the proposed names and I'll move them. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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::''Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"''</code>
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::: because we're not allowed to move images.. it's a [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowImageMoving one line configure] if you're inclined though --[[User:Icytea|Icytea]] 17:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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::::I do have the option - haven't tested so I'm not sure if it's bugged or not. If you give me a list, I'll move them to the right spot. That way we don't lose history or resolution. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 22:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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Here's something to test (just capital letters) - the icons I mentioned below! Could we move the following like so:
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:<nowiki>File:Buff defense icon.png >>> File:Buff Defense icon.png</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>File:Buff movement speed icon.png >>> File:Buff Movement Speed icon.png</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>File:Debuff attack icon.png >>> File:Debuff Attack icon.png</nowiki>
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:: Moved, redirects can't be suppressed at moving time, we can live with them. If more need to be done, please start a new section in this discussion page. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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If the test works, shall we make a tag similar to "needs updating" for all files to be moved? I'll make it so editors put the new/desired filename destination in the tag. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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Hi~ The name of the spam user is [[User:Sohbet|Sohbet]]. I already edited their page to erase the links --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Unless there's already a tag like this that exists that I don't know about ;P -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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I'll get to making that tag. I thought about tagging many of the battle sprite images with this, but a lot of these are just too much of a "mess" and need cropping anyway, so I can just do my reupload-to-fix for those. I'm pretty sure it's very clear when battle sprites came out, so we don't need to worry about archive data for these. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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:Ah looking at the files now, people DO have them on pages, and I don't like nosing about on personal pages unless there's something really wiki breaking. Tagging them <strike>shortly</strike> after the relevant WiP is done. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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::[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Move/Image&limit=500&namespace=6 Tah Dah!] < please [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcTmpvDO0I move it move it]. To make sure they got moved to the right spot, I've put a "gallery prep" on the discussion page of every sprite ([[:Talk:Maskeraith|Like so]]) - they should show up in there once saved. These galleries should force consistent naming (dashes, capitals, and all!) into the distant future. Thanks! (and yes, progression pics are missing, that's a recent project I started as of the Gun Pup release and it's a very low priority WiP)-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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:::I'm going to go ahead and comment here and I've asked Gamemasters about this a long time ago specifically about deleting posts through an easy-to-use template. Their response:
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:::''About the template, as nice as it sounds, I doubt it would be any different than what we have now. GMs monitor the wiki regularly, but not constant enough to be checking that category. An in-game request is much faster!''
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:::In this sense, this makes the tag redundant. The user(s) on this wiki are able to freely re-upload images to their proper name. You can also just add the Delete Template. Doing this is much more simple than constantly asking Gamemasters to move it. Just my thoughts on it anyhow. --[[User:Acies|Acies]] 17:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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:: I agree that as a long-term project it's not practical. However, I'm happy to help a bit - I'll take care of the images on that tag above in the next few days. If more come up, use that tag and poke me here to let me know.  Please note that this is ''not'' a service that GMs are able to provide on a regular basis as our duties are many and time is short, this is a personal offer from me to the wiki editors for a short period of time.  --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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::: On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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::::Oh dear, so sorry - I thought that because it is conserved in the page history it would be fine to clean up my clutter, because I post in here so much. Should I post everything back in here? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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I like how nice and high res [[File:Attack speed icon.png|36px]] is.
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Thanks, -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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:Would it be okay for us editors to carefully attempt to make high quality versions of these as accurately as possible, since they seem to be unavailable officially? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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Its this new?

Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --HikaruFER 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Should be back to normal! --Clotho (talk) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --HikaruFER 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --Matusm (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --HikaruFER 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity about wiki issues

Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.

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  • Category:Armor ankle attachment: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like Splash Sarong for example, thats the most recent one i added).
  • ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed, only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
  • Recon (MotT): This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.

I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz Smitty was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes [[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]] so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --HikaruFER 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Spam?

I edited this. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --HikaruFER 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --Clotho (talk) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --HikaruFER 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

P.D: The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...

Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Clotho.
Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"

That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --HikaruFER 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Another Spam user

Hi~ The name of the spam user is Sohbet. I already edited their page to erase the links --HikaruFER 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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