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== Vendor List Changes ==
  
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Should I make changes on the following pages?:
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So, you may have notice that im messing with images, deleting those who have no use but are in cats, adding <nowiki>"|helmet/armor etc]]"</nowiki> to cats in tooltips correcting some tags but i dunno what you think of me deleting Tooltip's thanks, like [[:File:Sapphire Aura-Equipped.png|this]] one for example. Do you think it is rude if i delete them even if its been a while now? They look good in the "---" white box tho. And was thinking too, this may encourage people to help with the tooltip's views knowing they will be credit and now forgotten. What do you think? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 07:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I only remove the thanks if I get a new visual of the item (such as the full tooltip body). If I get it from the same person I leave it. This information is always available in the file history, as long as people remember to do it when they upload the file (or if it's edited in they can check the file history tab, but that's not as good regarding files). Yes, we should retain this information whenever possible. We never mention individuals in the mainspace, but here we're talking about the filespace of a gaming wiki. SK's community is generally a lot more willing to help if they feel their contributions are acknowledged in some way. It's also prudent to source things whenever possible for authentication reasons, and images certainly have a source. I almost always forget to mention "this example was found on the Auction House during the relevant promotion" etc. due to rapid uploads and it being the default mostly-reliable-due-to-unknown-players-putting-things-up source for many promotion items. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:05, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Punch and Vise - These don't give actual items but just services
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:But I always ask if they want to remain anonymous, I have a few that do, especially for rare items so people don't go after them trying to make them sell it etc. I try to remember to say thanks to user: "Anonymous" for sharing this item in that case. It's all somewhat silly in general. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Oh! i see :)! Well, i get the tooltips from Auction House, but i really dont feel like putting that. I think we can stick to only "Thanks to user:" when someone help with sharing the item via Trade Windows (and the annonimous for what u just said too) because i think it is obvious that if it doesnt have the "Thanks to" it is taken from a public space (AH) so, while navigating, people would see the white "---" table and know the credit is for a User, but if they see nothing they know it was taken from AH. Seems better to me. Do we stick to it? I think i erase a few while adding cats till i notice "oh wait" and came here to tell you, but i havent even start with "cleaning" the cat/tags of the files yet, so i will restore the ones i delete by mistake and/or without know.
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::This would be my "method" of "cleaning" the galleries from costumes and accessories:<br>
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Boost, Ursula, Quince, Rudkin - Obsolete
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::*Tooltip animations would be like [[:File:Aura-tooltip_animation.png|this]] (that is singular, plural will replace "This one is " by "Those one are ", tell me if its good because "Those" and "These" are confusing words for me xD)
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::*Preview images AND [[:File:Monster Pocket-Equipped.png|Equipped]] images would be like [[:File:Aura-Preview.png|this]] (same with singular "this" and plural "those", only if the file represent a group, for example, Tails Tails and Golden Laurel are unique so they would have just the representative tag)
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::*Overworld animations would be like this [[:File:Clockwork_Crest-Overworld.png|this]], but i wanted to ask, when it is some especific item (like [[:File:Chroma Whelp Monster Pocket-Overworld.png|this]]), what do you think, do i add the acc tag or the representative tag?
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::Sorry for the long reply this is a silly edit but i notice some preview are in Acc cat, others in the Representative cat, some have what the item is, others dont, so i want to make ALL of these files the same. In the Animations, i put the APNG tag first because i though u did the same so people could see the "Don't see the animation" first --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Also, what type are vials and vitapods? Materials? --[[User:Snarbylord|Snarbylord]] 02:21, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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:I'll look into this more deeply tomorrow, or possibly later tonight. Vials are [[pickup]]s, vitapods are [[consumable]]s. Leave obsolete pages alone. Leave Punch and Vise alone, I have something else in mind involving tickets. We can't even edit the Supply Depot page (it is protected because it directly involves the "real money" in-game currency of energy), and it's very different from an NPC vendor, so we would leave it alone anyway. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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::Alright, thanks. But what type are materials? Tokens?
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:::Materials don't really have a subtype, just leave it blank. Subtype is something we do to help users, it's not really an in-game arsenal-influencing thing. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
  
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:::Yeah I'm gonna wait a bit for examples to show up on the AH before digging in to the work. I can make a template for what you're trying to do. I often find images around other wikis where the picture includes other entities and it drives me insane not knowing what they are as a noob and I have to do some crazy digging to figure it out. But this would work for our representative images as well. So, guess I know what I'm doing today! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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==File Uploads==
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:::So yeah I really wish other wikis would do something similar to [[:Template:ImageInfo]] for [http://terraria.gamepedia.com/File:TerraBladeAnimation.gif images such as this] WHAT ELSE IS HE WEARING? WHAT IS THAT DINOSAUR? (I know what they are, but you get the idea - a new player wouldn't!) This should work for our "representative images" of single tooltip entities too, but is more useful for things such as [[:File:Aura-Preview.png|this]]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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About my images: sorry, I just ripped icons from Wayback Machine didn't realise I had to get full images [[User:Edge97|Edge97]]
  
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::::Oh i like it :D! But couldnt be a way to all be include in the template? Correct me in any mistakes xD. Like... Im gonna use the Aura-Preview as example for what im trying to explain:
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It will show the same as the actual (maybe we could add the acc's icons+text tinier compared to the helmet-armor-main item but you dont have to add <nowiki>*{{equip|Item}}</nowiki> and the "As well as:". --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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APNG works only with Firefox and doesn't have enough support by software
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:Yeah you can just stick that template in there if you feel it fits. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]]
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Offtop: do you know any way to make images of rare items?
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:I might be able to modify [[Template:Appearance]] for easy use, just a few minutes. Working on something else atm too. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:52, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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[[User:Rrrrex|Rrrrex]] IGN: The-Worst-Knight
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::Oh yeah, but i meant in the ImageInfo format only, i prefer icons of the equip template and we leave the apparecente template for NPCpages and others formats (not image's description). Do you mind if i try to make that example up there in the template? It makes me show you what i mean and learn a little more the code stuff ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure what your point is with APNG. It works with other browsers and it's what we use on this wiki. What do you mean "make images of rare items"? What would be an example? Also, you can sign your posts with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> to save a lot of time.--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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::Agh icons. Lemme try one more time - don't want an edit conflict. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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::The reason APNG is used on the wiki is because it uses the .png extension. The GMs won't add additional file types or change the configuration, so that's what we gotta use if we want something better than GIF. --[[User:Icytea|Icytea]] 06:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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::How's that? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::It is good, well, the apparence template can stay but i think the Snowfall Aura (in this case) would be top, and the rest of the information above. I mean, the name itself said "Aura-Preview" so the aura is main but wanted to make it clear that is the focus item there, then, the extras (what else the knight have). For some reason i find the '''<nowiki>{{equip|</nowiki>''' kinda annoying in this case xD. I mean, i do like it with icons, that is no doubt, but the "equip" template i think it would need to be inside the code, thats why i was thinking the apparence's template wouldnt fit because it works good without the equip template. I will try to make the edits in the ImageInfo's template without too many savepage-edit --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::I can make GIF with few clicks, really fast. About APNG, i installed Chrome extension, but all i can do is to see all frames of animation.  
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:::Oh well go for it. We can look at it later before going nuts implementing it. There's lots of...citrine...things to do. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:52, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::About rare items, it may be costume accessories from early promos, something that is incredibly hard to find nowadays. I'm ready to work with it, but i'm not ready to search for it. I spent a lot of time in search of proto armor, that's why i don't know how to restore wiki effortlessly.--[[User:Rrrrex|Rrrrex]] 13:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  
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Well, I might be done wiki-ing for today. I just noticed that the new citrine stuff just does not match citrine rose, and for some reason this tipped me over into an "I don't want to edit" mode. Yeah. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::Focus on things you can do, don't worry about that stuff. there's plenty to do. Also, definitely do NOT do gifs unless there are no other options (the entity is extremely complex and produces an APNG file that is too large. This is very rare). It is explicitly stated in the style guide via an admin post (Equinox) that editors of this wiki should simply avoid gifs, even though they are able to be uploaded. They are a low quality file format. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:39, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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:I didnt expect that haha, it is a nice tone of yellow tho, not like regal Dx. Havent see much because there was only one item in AH xD. I would add the common "Prize Box Release" method and create the redirects if my time is enough ^^. You can do relaxing stuff then haha (i see websites or videos xD) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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== About Shroud ==
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About recent edits to the Shroud of the Apocrea page, I just wanted to explain my reasoning on the edit. Since Haven has had the same visual effect during every Shroud event, I removed the reference in the calendar on the most recent one, thinking that it had been mentioned up above. It turns out this wasn't the case on a second look. I won't remove the mention again, but do you think it might be suited better listed under the first event's details section on the calendar? --[[User:Wired Wolf|Wired Wolf]] 6:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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:No, because that particular spooky weather effect was for the Dark Harvest Festival (the third instance of DHF occurred simultaneously with the first Apocrea in 2013, confusing many players), and had nothing to do with Apocrea - no Apocrea events had their own spooky weather in Haven until the (current) 5th occurrence. If Apocrea continues to have spooky weather in future occurrences, then we will make a note of that in the bulk page text, and reword the calendar so that it's clear the 5th was the first time the weather was intended for Apocrea. Something like "as of this event, weather is blah." Avoid extrapolation and misleading historical information. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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::Well, looks like I'm wrong on a few levels. I just remember [http://i.imgur.com/OFB6aCf.png uploading this in 2015]. Maybe my game was just being derpy. I found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VG4upR0W8c this video] so I'm probably just going insane. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  
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'''OTL overload'''...So... check [[:Template:ImageInfo|the template]] and the [[:File:Aura-Preview.png|preview]]... I tried, i really tried T-T. Check the template's history to see my agony. I better keep the pro stuff to you (a.k.a. coding/templates) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 08:38, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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Here we go:
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<br>'''P.D''': Couldnt do anything of the Citrine's prize box today, was busy :(! I can make them tomorrow tho. Sorry for that, i just uploaded the small and big image of the news --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 08:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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*2013: Fog = yes, but it was during DHF.
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::Oh jeeze thanks for doing the redirects, those drive me crazy. I had a go at fixing up the imageinfo again. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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*Jun 2014: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHQmElB7gQ fog = yes]
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:::Though you might (you told me xD) so i helped with the Redirects now that i could :). Btw really thanks! haha i did a mess and couldnt make it work out ;_; [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g This song express my feelings last night] after just 30 minutes of trying xD. It does work, the main item and the extra items with icons and all! Thanks alot, really, what would it be of this wiki without your templates/codes ;_; --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:27, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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*Jan 2015: ??? ([http://i.imgur.com/OFB6aCf.png 28 January 2015 upload]. See history of [[:File:Haven-Event-SotA-TownSquare.png]]. - video error possible)
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*Jun 2016: Fog = yes
  
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Hypothesis: fog is normal, but I happened to upload a pic during the weird super short event, which might just be the one event that didn't have fog. I'd like more proof before editing the page with conclusive information. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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Can't remember if we get to talk to Arkus in-game (without the Comlink). What can we add in the Mugshot's file? The Monster image with transparency? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:00, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Can't remember either. Probably snatch something from the cutscene. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:53, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Alright then~ just in case :3! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 03:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Though u didnt see the history of the template. There are two 13 July 2012 in it, dunno which is correct (or better) to leave --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 03:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Fixed. I give dates that are in the sortable table across multple pages priority. The Guardian stuff isn't in a sortable table so it doesn't really use DoRSource (it could but bleh, complicate things). --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:13, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Ohh thx~ Im no good with the DoR xD! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 09:08, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Saw you change the template, but you forgot the "main item" icon D: --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 09:14, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I took that out because it is redundant. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:28, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Well, then can i add a bold font to the parameter 2? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:30, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::I would link per individual page instead (not make it mandatory within the template!) The linking would make it stand out and we wouldn't be using bold format haphazardly. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::Well in that case i prefer leaving it as they are right now. I probably gonna start adding them in a while, or tomorrow --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:55, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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For the Overworld animation's of accesories (check Flame Aura) i will not add the whole costume. I mean, unless you remember what those characters were wearing xD i cant see all the items (acc, helmet, armor, etc) in that tiny square.  Also, i can "imagine" what personal color they are but would be a blind guess (specially for the Green and Blue tones). So, instead of having weird guesses i used only parameter 1 and 2. To new overworld's animation we can ask people or take note of what color and height are they, and what is the helmet+armor with which accs. And if someone is REALLY that bored he can analize the oveworld-shoot to note the equipment x-x. I will do exceptions on , for example, Dreadful Aura-Overworld, because the acc gives an special effect and we dont want people to think that aura does that effect. In the preview files i will do it ofc im not that blind with the size of the preview xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Yeah I wouldn't work on that right now. It's a small side project compared to mission and NPC pages, and the eventual monster overhaul a few ppl are looking forward to. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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So, do we replace that template with the NPC? seems better because it NPC do the same funtion as Boss but better haha --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I've been thinking about just cleaning up the boss template. Having the elaborate NPC template for the more...primitive/less sapient bosses doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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I officially cleaned my mess xD. I dont think some bad format was left. Snarbylord save me an error :). '''P.D''': Impostorclaus doesnt have a format, could u add the proper? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 07:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:As long as it's fun... I've uploaded pictures of [[Archilus]] so we can really see what the page will look like when it's finished. IDK if you were really gunning to do those, so I only did them for Archilus just for page testing. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:33, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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I recently found someone with a Furious Fork, so I could add cats (meow) and a note, but there's one special effect I'm not sure about. It has a small light trail coming from the end, which is visible when the player moves for about as long as the Volcanic Pepperbox's smoke, but I don't really know where it belongs. Trailing, maybe? --[[User:Snarbylord|Snarbylord]] 5:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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:I would tend to agree. There are a few things with light trails ([[Prime Bombhead Mask]] has a tiny one). When it comes to these colloquial categories, just do what you think will help players the most. Like if you were looking for trailing, is that something you'd want to see when searching for items? The human eye and mind are pretty unique per individual, so we can only do our best with color codes and consistent graphic settings :). --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 13:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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Impostoclaus also says "Glorp! If I had bones, they'd be broken!" or something similar while being attacked. I don't really have time at the moment to log on and check exactly what it is and when he says it, though.
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(I was going to add this in the summary, but decided not to. While deleting it, I accidentally unchecked "minor edit"...) --[[User:Snarbylord|Snarbylord]] 19:55, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh, never had that trigger. Please add it when you discover the circumstances. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 20:30, 7 June 2016

I am not an employee, just a very overly enthusiastic gamer and wiki editor. Keep edits here limited to things about the wiki that I've done, or that you are very sure I can help with. All my work is volunteer - and I value every moment :). That being said, I'll be happy to help if I can. My IGN is Novaster, same as my wiki account, so pop me a pm or mail in-game if you want to casually discuss things.

If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the Suggestions Forum instead. If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the Support Portal to get help.

Follow format established for wiki use. Add new messages to the bottom under a new ===TITLE=== section for new topics, or continue a discussion under a relevant topic. Sign your posts with --~~~~.

Archived discussions with Novaster can be found here.

Vendor List Changes

Should I make changes on the following pages?:

Punch and Vise - These don't give actual items but just services

Supply Depot - Not actually a vendor

Boost, Ursula, Quince, Rudkin - Obsolete

Also, what type are vials and vitapods? Materials? --Snarbylord 02:21, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into this more deeply tomorrow, or possibly later tonight. Vials are pickups, vitapods are consumables. Leave obsolete pages alone. Leave Punch and Vise alone, I have something else in mind involving tickets. We can't even edit the Supply Depot page (it is protected because it directly involves the "real money" in-game currency of energy), and it's very different from an NPC vendor, so we would leave it alone anyway. --Novaster 03:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. But what type are materials? Tokens?
Materials don't really have a subtype, just leave it blank. Subtype is something we do to help users, it's not really an in-game arsenal-influencing thing. --Novaster 20:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

File Uploads

About my images: sorry, I just ripped icons from Wayback Machine didn't realise I had to get full images Edge97

APNG images

APNG works only with Firefox and doesn't have enough support by software Offtop: do you know any way to make images of rare items? Rrrrex IGN: The-Worst-Knight

I'm not sure what your point is with APNG. It works with other browsers and it's what we use on this wiki. What do you mean "make images of rare items"? What would be an example? Also, you can sign your posts with --~~~~ to save a lot of time.--Novaster 02:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
The reason APNG is used on the wiki is because it uses the .png extension. The GMs won't add additional file types or change the configuration, so that's what we gotta use if we want something better than GIF. --Icytea 06:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I can make GIF with few clicks, really fast. About APNG, i installed Chrome extension, but all i can do is to see all frames of animation.
About rare items, it may be costume accessories from early promos, something that is incredibly hard to find nowadays. I'm ready to work with it, but i'm not ready to search for it. I spent a lot of time in search of proto armor, that's why i don't know how to restore wiki effortlessly.--Rrrrex 13:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Focus on things you can do, don't worry about that stuff. there's plenty to do. Also, definitely do NOT do gifs unless there are no other options (the entity is extremely complex and produces an APNG file that is too large. This is very rare). It is explicitly stated in the style guide via an admin post (Equinox) that editors of this wiki should simply avoid gifs, even though they are able to be uploaded. They are a low quality file format. --Novaster 02:39, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

About Shroud

About recent edits to the Shroud of the Apocrea page, I just wanted to explain my reasoning on the edit. Since Haven has had the same visual effect during every Shroud event, I removed the reference in the calendar on the most recent one, thinking that it had been mentioned up above. It turns out this wasn't the case on a second look. I won't remove the mention again, but do you think it might be suited better listed under the first event's details section on the calendar? --Wired Wolf 6:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

No, because that particular spooky weather effect was for the Dark Harvest Festival (the third instance of DHF occurred simultaneously with the first Apocrea in 2013, confusing many players), and had nothing to do with Apocrea - no Apocrea events had their own spooky weather in Haven until the (current) 5th occurrence. If Apocrea continues to have spooky weather in future occurrences, then we will make a note of that in the bulk page text, and reword the calendar so that it's clear the 5th was the first time the weather was intended for Apocrea. Something like "as of this event, weather is blah." Avoid extrapolation and misleading historical information. --Novaster 20:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Well, looks like I'm wrong on a few levels. I just remember uploading this in 2015. Maybe my game was just being derpy. I found this video so I'm probably just going insane. --Novaster 20:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Here we go:

Hypothesis: fog is normal, but I happened to upload a pic during the weird super short event, which might just be the one event that didn't have fog. I'd like more proof before editing the page with conclusive information. --Novaster 20:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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