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At certain attack applied, monster would flinch and cancel whatever they charge. On swords, only final swing and charge attack would counts. Charge attack has slightly better effect to flinch monster. Most guns lacks of final swing by comparison, with some few exception like pulsar's expanded bullets and magnus line. Alchemer charge has disadvantage because only the initial charge bullet counts, the ricochets don't. Meanwhile, Blitz Needle has the most advantage since all 15 charge bullets has the potential to flinch. All bombs has chance to flinch since they are charge attacks. The more members in a party and the deeper the depth, the harder it is to flinch the monster. Shadow Lair monsters is also harder to flinch. Based on depth 25+ (vanguard prestige missions and FSC exclude Shadow Lair), I categorize monsters in these levels:
 
At certain attack applied, monster would flinch and cancel whatever they charge. On swords, only final swing and charge attack would counts. Charge attack has slightly better effect to flinch monster. Most guns lacks of final swing by comparison, with some few exception like pulsar's expanded bullets and magnus line. Alchemer charge has disadvantage because only the initial charge bullet counts, the ricochets don't. Meanwhile, Blitz Needle has the most advantage since all 15 charge bullets has the potential to flinch. All bombs has chance to flinch since they are charge attacks. The more members in a party and the deeper the depth, the harder it is to flinch the monster. Shadow Lair monsters is also harder to flinch. Based on depth 25+ (vanguard prestige missions and FSC exclude Shadow Lair), I categorize monsters in these levels:
 
#'''Poke''' done by any kind of attack including resistant, vial/pot throwing.
 
#'''Poke''' done by any kind of attack including resistant, vial/pot throwing.
#: This category shouldn't exist. However, some monster attack/action could be interrupted by Poke. Scuttlebot's Bullets, Devilite's Throw Projectiles, Greaver's Attack, Oiler/Quicksilver/Toxigel's Tackle, Wolver's Bark, Stunned Snarbolax. Note that scuttlebots, greaver and oiler has only one attack type. Most of the time  
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#: This category shouldn't exist. However, some '''monster attack/action''' could be interrupted by Poke. Scuttlebot's Bullets, Devilite's Throw Projectiles, Greaver's Attack, Oiler/Quicksilver/Toxigel's Tackle, Wolver's Bark, Stunned Snarbolax. Note that scuttlebots, greaver and oiler has only one attack type. Most of the time  
 
#'''Low''' done by final swing or charge attack that is at least not resistant. Half normal damage (brandish/sealed sword) is also included into non-resistant even though the other part is (ex: Combuster charge still flinches Gremlin).
 
#'''Low''' done by final swing or charge attack that is at least not resistant. Half normal damage (brandish/sealed sword) is also included into non-resistant even though the other part is (ex: Combuster charge still flinches Gremlin).
#: Monster types: Chromalisk, Wolver, Gun Puppy, Devilite, Trojan, All Gremlin, Jelly (except Tier 3 Jelly full of spikes at RJP), Lichen, Quicksilver/Oiler/Toxigel, Polyp, Howlitzer, Kat, Dreadnaught.
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#: '''Monster types''': Chromalisk, Wolver, Gun Puppy, Devilite, Trojan, All Gremlin, Jelly (except Tier 3 Jelly full of spikes at RJP), Lichen, Quicksilver/Oiler/Toxigel, Polyp, Howlitzer, Kat, Dreadnaught.
 
#'''Moderate''' done by full combo at medium damage bonus or final swing/charge attack at maximum damage bonus, and the monster must be weak from the damage type. (ex: elemental attack against zombie)
 
#'''Moderate''' done by full combo at medium damage bonus or final swing/charge attack at maximum damage bonus, and the monster must be weak from the damage type. (ex: elemental attack against zombie)
 
#: Full combo could be either the complete basic attack or charge attack → first swing → final swing. This is the main reason why newbie died a lot times. Most likely they are fit in this scenario. A player equip Vog Cub set without any damage bonus joins in 4 members party. He keep finish his sword combo and still got hurt by Zombies that are charging their attack before. Even worse, after he finish the combo, he used the shield bump that throws the Zombies while they are doing slap animation. The zombie acquired the new move, instead of plain slap. It's now a back-dashing slap that would potentially hurts other teammate on its path.
 
#: Full combo could be either the complete basic attack or charge attack → first swing → final swing. This is the main reason why newbie died a lot times. Most likely they are fit in this scenario. A player equip Vog Cub set without any damage bonus joins in 4 members party. He keep finish his sword combo and still got hurt by Zombies that are charging their attack before. Even worse, after he finish the combo, he used the shield bump that throws the Zombies while they are doing slap animation. The zombie acquired the new move, instead of plain slap. It's now a back-dashing slap that would potentially hurts other teammate on its path.
#: Monster types: Alpha Wolver, Lumber, Mecha Knight, Retrode, Devilite Overtimer, Lichen Colony, Phantom, Zombie, Almirian Crusader, Royal Jelly.
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#: '''Monster types''': Alpha Wolver, Lumber, Mecha Knight, Retrode, Devilite Overtimer, Lichen Colony, Phantom, Zombie, Almirian Crusader, Royal Jelly.
 
#'''High''' done by full bullets of volcanic pepperbox since I have hard time to find monsters in this category, so far only Giant Lichen Colony.
 
#'''High''' done by full bullets of volcanic pepperbox since I have hard time to find monsters in this category, so far only Giant Lichen Colony.
 
#'''Impossible''' obviously, Vanaduke.
 
#'''Impossible''' obviously, Vanaduke.

Revision as of 05:00, 5 April 2013

I wrote this page within my completely bias opinion so here goes :p

Using Blitz Needle at Clockworks

Rocket Explosion

Understanding Handgun Behavior

Recall when you were at Ironclaw Munitions Factory, you tried to defend an incoming rocket. It hit the shield and exploded. The explosion also hurts unaware party member close to you. Handguns actually behaves similar to rocket. The bullets either hit an object or reach the maximum range, and then exploded. Bullet itself does not deal damage, but the explosion does. Bullets normally does not destroy grass or freeze status effect, except either in maximum range or near wall (explode earlier). Therefore, Handguns, or even all weapons in Spiral Knights does Area of Effect (AoE) damage. The AoE is not necessarily big like Polaris. Blitz needle bullets explosion is like 50 times smaller than Polaris.

Benefit: If you are capable to kill zombie in one shot blitz charge, you are also capable to kill two or three zombies close to each other by aiming right in the middle of crowd (auto target off). The explosion is not always at the exact position where the bullets disappear. The bullets can disappear in one side of Force Field but explode at the other side of Force Field. It also bypass gremlin mortafire's shield (not sure on other shield monsters).

Disadvantage: Sometimes the bullet explosion location is behind the location bullets disappear that they can't break blocks or deal damage. Hate Knock Back Blitz Needle AoE is too tiny that even a small knock back on targeted monster would cancel few bullets damage, then you need to re-charge again. The monster get away because of some delay between disappearing bullets and the explosion. Bullets hit the target, however the explosion could not reach monsters. In Blitz Needle case, there will be less damage numbers than it supposed to. (e.g. 6 numbers instead of the usual 15 numbers per charge)

Basic Attack vs Charge Attack

Action List (also works on all types of swords and guns)

  1. Basic Attack: Action → Action → Action and so forth
  2. Small Steps In-Between Attack: hold Action → move a little bit → release Action right before it starts Charging
  3. Shield Cancel Attack: Action → hold Defend → Action(give delay between Action to avoid reload)
  4. Switch Attack: Action → hold Defend → Weapon 2 → Weapon 1 → release Defend → Action
  5. Basic Charge: hold Action
  6. Shield Charge: hold Defend → hold Action → delay → release Defend → release Action → hold Defend
  7. "Running" Shield Charge: hold Defend → hold Action → immediately release Defend but still holding Action → move around freely → tap Defend → release Action → Hold Defend

Animation cancel done by Defend is actually a common trick/glitch used on almost any action video game (ex: Zero's Saber Dash cancel on Megaman Game). The short animation of Defend cancel out the long animation of other movements. Holding Defend could cut these following: basic attacks, charge, finish typing invisible tablet (open/close recipe/arsenal window), reviving, standing up from /sit or other /emote (which I recommend you to exploit).

"Running" Shield Charge is my favorite because it gives the most movement freedom, while basic attacks mostly stop you.
This is the comparison on what actually happening when you perform these actions:

Basic Attack (Action → Action): Longer Stance → Shoot Bullets → Shoot Bullets → Reload
Movement with Penalty: Reload
Stationary: Longer Stance, Shoot Bullets, Shoot Bullets
"Running" Shield Charge (above): Defend → Move Around → Instant Defend → Long, Long Charge → Shorter Stance → Longer Shoot Bullets → Reload
Movement without Penalty: Move Around
Movement with Penalty: Defend, Instant Defend, Long, long Charge
Stationary: Shorter Stance, Longer Shoot Bullets, Reload

Note: In this video, I keep holding move right while doing action list so that you could see clearly when I could move.

Charge Attack Damage equals to 5 times of Basic Attack Damage

The damage list of Blitz Needle against Wolver at Guild Training Hall tier 3: Charge Attack = 229 * 15 = 3435. Basic Attack = 6 * 110 = 660. Damage comparison = 3435 / 660 = 5.2. Duration time needed for one charge with CTR:Med (from heat level 10) is about two full combo (4 basic attack). Damage comparison = 5.2 / 4 = 1.3. CTR:Max! is about one and half combo (3 shot). Damage comparison = 5.2 / 3 = 1.7. The damage gap difference is even higher with Damage Bonus. It's even higher while exploiting the bullet explosions. ASI made both action faster.

Don't hold Charge too long

Simply because you would have less dps (damage per second). You could release charge as soon as you find a safe position. The most common scenario would be... you are waiting a good position to kill Trojan. Sometimes you hold charge more than 10 seconds because Trojan was far away, meanwhile you could release charge and kill one - two zombies, and recharge again for Trojan within the same 10 seconds duration. In these videos, I did not hold the charge for more than 5 seconds. Most of time I released the charge as soon as it's ready.

Bullets triggers Dodge

Four types of monsters, Chromalisks, Gremlins, Devilites, and Wolvers, have the ability to dodge when someone shoots bullets near them. Both basic attacks and charge triggers dodge but charge is still better against dodging monster. Monsters have slower response on charge (I think it's) because of shorter stance before actually shooting bullets. The charge bullets also have potential to flinch monster and stop their dodge animation.

Dealing with Monsters

Monster's Target is based on this priority:

  1. Player who deal the most damage within monster's sight range. The non-damage like haze bombs type, and damage absorbed by shield (Trojan etc) also counts. Most likely, monster will target haze bomber until receiving a high damage from another Player.
  2. Player who deal the damage first when there are two or more players deal the same damage.
  3. Player who is the nearest when there is no damage applied.

Some special abilities

Zombie's Lunge, Trojan's Charge, and Trojan's Sword Slam would require the Player(close to) stationary/stop, not necessarily to be long time, only a split second needed. Keep moving would prevent monsters to perform these attacks.
Most monsters attack can't keep track the target after they start to charge. They would only attack in the same position without following the players anymore. Some few exceptions that make harder to dodge are Devilites (which makes them the most annoying monsters), Mecha Knights/Phantom/Almirian Crusader, Greaver, Snarbolax's Bite, Oilers (doesn't actually track but it slides and makes curve attack).
Mecha Knights/Phantom/Almirian Crusader's Charge Attack could be cancelled by Shock or Stun Status Effect.
All the monsters attacks have a cool down, idle time needed to perform another attack. Some attacks has longer cool down than others, like Trojan/Vanaduke's Charge (not followed by Sword Slam), Vanaduke's Fire Snake, Greaver's Attack, etc.

Versus One Monster Based on my experience, the safest way to kill monsters is either:

  1. Trigger monster attack, dodge, and attack back. You don't need to wait for monster to finish its attack. As soon as you are in the safe position, you could release attack.
  2. Trigger monster attack, and interrupt to cancel their attack. However, a certain amount of damage is needed to flinch/interrupt it. I'll explain Flinch further below.

Versus Multiple Monsters is about the same as versus one monster but you need to take attention more than one monster. Also, you should exploit bullets explosion feature in this situation. On zombie swarm, mostly you need to take attention on first 2 nearest zombie. These 2 could hurt you while the other zombies attack would be blocked by these 2 zombies.

Flinch

At certain attack applied, monster would flinch and cancel whatever they charge. On swords, only final swing and charge attack would counts. Charge attack has slightly better effect to flinch monster. Most guns lacks of final swing by comparison, with some few exception like pulsar's expanded bullets and magnus line. Alchemer charge has disadvantage because only the initial charge bullet counts, the ricochets don't. Meanwhile, Blitz Needle has the most advantage since all 15 charge bullets has the potential to flinch. All bombs has chance to flinch since they are charge attacks. The more members in a party and the deeper the depth, the harder it is to flinch the monster. Shadow Lair monsters is also harder to flinch. Based on depth 25+ (vanguard prestige missions and FSC exclude Shadow Lair), I categorize monsters in these levels:

  1. Poke done by any kind of attack including resistant, vial/pot throwing.
    This category shouldn't exist. However, some monster attack/action could be interrupted by Poke. Scuttlebot's Bullets, Devilite's Throw Projectiles, Greaver's Attack, Oiler/Quicksilver/Toxigel's Tackle, Wolver's Bark, Stunned Snarbolax. Note that scuttlebots, greaver and oiler has only one attack type. Most of the time
  2. Low done by final swing or charge attack that is at least not resistant. Half normal damage (brandish/sealed sword) is also included into non-resistant even though the other part is (ex: Combuster charge still flinches Gremlin).
    Monster types: Chromalisk, Wolver, Gun Puppy, Devilite, Trojan, All Gremlin, Jelly (except Tier 3 Jelly full of spikes at RJP), Lichen, Quicksilver/Oiler/Toxigel, Polyp, Howlitzer, Kat, Dreadnaught.
  3. Moderate done by full combo at medium damage bonus or final swing/charge attack at maximum damage bonus, and the monster must be weak from the damage type. (ex: elemental attack against zombie)
    Full combo could be either the complete basic attack or charge attack → first swing → final swing. This is the main reason why newbie died a lot times. Most likely they are fit in this scenario. A player equip Vog Cub set without any damage bonus joins in 4 members party. He keep finish his sword combo and still got hurt by Zombies that are charging their attack before. Even worse, after he finish the combo, he used the shield bump that throws the Zombies while they are doing slap animation. The zombie acquired the new move, instead of plain slap. It's now a back-dashing slap that would potentially hurts other teammate on its path.
    Monster types: Alpha Wolver, Lumber, Mecha Knight, Retrode, Devilite Overtimer, Lichen Colony, Phantom, Zombie, Almirian Crusader, Royal Jelly.
  4. High done by full bullets of volcanic pepperbox since I have hard time to find monsters in this category, so far only Giant Lichen Colony.
  5. Impossible obviously, Vanaduke.

Note: monsters would recover from whoever flinch the latest. This means Trojan/Dreadnaught could escape from one-shot-kill blitz charge when somebody else sword charge them. At 2 - 3 party member, these monster types are possible to be flinched by one level below. Solo party has much easier time to flinch almost all types of monsters. On Blitz needle point of view, all these levels only means the amount of charge bullets needed to flinch the monsters. For moderate category, I only need 4 - 6 charge bullets to flinch.


Blitz Needle only, Proto Solo at Firestorm Citadel

I just wanted to point out that ASI, CTR and Damage UV is not necessary in these videos. I miss out Depth 28 since someone have uploaded better challenge and game play. You can type "proto solo" at youtube search bar to look up his video.

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