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Here are discussions about the proyects im helping. Note: Most of the Sections have been edited to look good in this format, so i can check the messages better.

[Proyect] Images

Status: On Going

Theres always images to update so this will never be "Done" haha.

Prestige Badges (Done)

Prestige Badges

>.> <.< We should probably fix all these up to have proper, consistent names. --Novaster 05:27, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Hahaha yes, those are all mess up and floating arond haha. But i add them the cat so i can remember "there u are!" xD those have user page's linked. What do u think of the one i upload? i trough it looked better with fourthstage instead of 25k, to keep ur format --Hikaru 05:33, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I think I should make a table with red text file names for consistent uploading...then we fix the existing ones so they're not in use and tag them with delete. --Novaster 05:36, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

And of course put said table on the Prestige page when we're done in case people want to use them, so they don't upload their own haphazardly. Liiiiiiiiiike I did. --Novaster 05:37, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking in adding them in some place for people who want to make their userpage. Put them in a list so they can choose the one they want, and if there is not the file, they can upload it. Maybe in the Manual of Style or ... dunno if its correct but in the prestige's page (like a little link or cat where they can be seen)..... LOL i was writing this and then ur msg appear hahaha. Well i took mines like yours! haha seems good to me, but maybe prestigeforuthstage is too long dont u think? xD--Hikaru 05:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Table of Insigns

I have made a table with names I think will work]]. I imagine people will mostly only care about the 45k one. We should definitely upload high quality images, not blurry screenshot crops like some of these are. --Novaster 06:20, 9 September 2015 (UTC) Could shorten the filename to #k instead of the 000s. --Novaster 06:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

5k instead of 5,000 is definitive better, for the filename ofcourse, but 5,000 in the /start looks good :). I can upload mine. Does it look blurry? Took a High-16x antialias screenshot and crop it. Its the one that appear at the left top corner in the screens. I still dont have my 45k badge xD --Hikaru 07:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

this one looks fine to me. --Novaster 07:37, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Then i will upload it ^^ Maybe i can upload it just a little more bigger, i will do one and then show it to u :). --Hikaru 07:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

"Rank" in the Tag

We probably don't need the |rank bit in the tag, as they all start with P for prestige. That little bit in the tag is just to group icons that have different names but similar function together. The icons look great! --Novaster 09:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC) Yeah definitely leave that rank bit out, it's not needed anymore and is actually bad now that we're making these consistent. You do very excellent work and I'd keep throwing confetti at you but I must sleep. --Novaster 09:55, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Being sorted by P of Prestige seems better. I will just add {{icon image}} then :3! And thx ^^! I am picking the colors from good screens and compared them with the Personal Color, trying to be the more exactly i can cuz the crop i made (and mostly in all screens) have some tones and cant just drop the color i pick (sadly xD). If u see/notice something about the files tell me ^^. Im going to do the rest of the icons tomorrow so we can add the delete tag to all the randoms icon xD. Hahaha we both need rest ^^! Tc and have a good nite :)~ --Hikaru 10:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah they're 24x36, which is the same size as the raw crop from the game files, so I assume you're using the icons found there (rsrc - ui -icon - prestige) with that buffer space around 'em cropped out. What makes me sad is I have a gut feeling the developers make huge beautiful versions of these things at first, but then when they need to get into the game we get a shrunk down version to be reasonable dataspace-wise and we end up with these tiny little things. Icons indeed. --Novaster 16:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah D: even with max resolution they seem little. I was going to take the one that shows in the overworld but the stroke around it was or too big or too small when i get to add it and the actual got the perfect stroke xD. --Hikaru 20:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Stuff about uploading

If they create a wiki and want people to help, why they in game images (like icons) in the wiki with good resolutions? i know Admins have upload somes but others seem like nowhere to be found xD and need to be make --Hikaru 20:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea. Yes, we make some of them, and sometimes ask admins for them too. In the meantime we do what we can with screenshots and game files. It's a bit dangerous to use game files, because some files are not in the game in use, so you should know exactly what you're doing when you use them, which generally isn't too hard. If you don't have screenshot proof of it in game, don't use the direct game file, but defer to the game file over screenshots because screenshots usually look awful for most stuff, basically. --Novaster 21:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

U can show images of upload servers here? or its against the rules? Like the Spiral Spy images. I am going to way to take a better screen of the danger module before i upload a new version --Hikaru 21:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

*Hides in a corner.* We can't use spiral spy images on the wiki, but we can...touch up files (we have to for many icons), so, if it's a "representative image of a module"...maybe... I'd love just a cropped display of the disc+hologram on its own without a world background, that would be perfect, but screenshots are so crappy...let's see what you've got. --Novaster 21:59, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

*Whisper* Well i can touch up screens but sometimes its limited. Creating them is another history xD need practice u//u im better with croping, fixing colors and those touch up more than made but dunno the limit of that for the wiki xD... and btw.... *whispers even more* i saw the potions in the pick up sections :V! --Hikaru 23:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Size

Was fiddling with the ah...size a bit. Should it be small and match in-game, or something else? Is that size good? --Novaster 02:23, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Well for the table i think they look good but maybe we can add a tip in how much px would they add to make it look more like in-game :P. 14px in the Card ID looks good but cad/user layout is tinier than the character layout most people use (the tables) but the px have always been optional --Hikaru 02:31, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Final

I fix them (i guess) and want to know what u think: here that is violet of 25k --Hikaru 21:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Exploration Modules (Done)

Exploration Modules

I saw the Icon-Danger-Module and u added that needs better color so i made this That helps? --Hikaru 21:21, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Honestly I'm not sure. Color looks different to different ppl. I've also decided to use a better naming convention. If you think you have a better version, go ahead and upload it. --Novaster 21:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah, i upload it there for the wiki cache problem with new versions. I am going to take a better screen of the danger module before i upload a new version --Hikaru 21:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Examples

Something like this or each kind (Information/Danger/Recon/Monstrous Codex). But clean, without the background. I could clean it up but that would be too much manipulation for something that wouldn't look quite right, with the tools I have. Or this. The angle is different and quite interesting. I'm not sure which would be better to use. Certainly, either of these would be better than the icons I uploaded earlier today. --Novaster 03:35, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

For what exactly do u want them? I dunno if what i can do would be useful cuz well i can try to fix them and cut them and etc but where or which would be its use? so i can have an idea of how to make it and whats the best --Hikaru 05:15, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Something like this, to indicate the type of module the user will find on the ground (this would be for the monster type):

~~example~~ (EDIT: example out of date with template changes. Simply showed a representative image + title in a customized showhide)

Before it was, for, say, the danger module (here's an example of a danger module in the overworld):

~~example~~ (EDIT: example out of date with template changes. Simply showed a representative image + title in a customized showhide)

But it's probably better to use a visual of the entire module, not just the icon. That skull is used in other places - boss stratum, danger mission cards. So the full module might look better as well as be less confusing. --Novaster 05:43, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Ohh ok i got it :)! Let me see if i can make it work. Like that now that im ending the badges i can make some test ^^! --Hikaru 05:47, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

As long as it's fun! This is a comparatively very small project (it can be used a lot, I guess, it's not "important"). I just ran into the potential for it while doing mission pages, similar to the artifact stuff. I'm heading to bed now. :) --Novaster 05:52, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

haha dont worry :D as i said this stuff is kinda relaxing and playing with the program making images too! It help me practice some new tecniques so we all win haha. Have a nice nite :)! --Hikaru 06:05, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

NPCs Mugshots (Almost done~)

DHF NPCs

On another note, it would be prudent to get those NPC shots while they're here. --Novaster 22:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, this is weird (the different gate map for rank) and maybe im dumb but i wouldnt know the "gate map" in the interface if it wasnt for you xD i test it, i didnt know it was there ._. . Oh and, if you mean Bulky and Maskwell Mugshots (or, store windows in this case) i already took ones for each ^^! --Hikaru 22:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Hurray! And don't worry, a lot of ppl don't know about gate maps. But that makes the wiki even more useful, I think. And players can still use mission gate maps on the wiki to remember or determine what's in the depth of a mission someone else has started, that you want to join and help with, even if you already know how to use the gate map in-game. --Novaster 22:40, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I tought you had to go and test each map to see the name and the gate-icon haha silly me xD. It does help alot the gate map here, is faster :D! Oh and, didnt know the little Muerty exist, i gonna take a mugshot of him too, but i think i can use the image you already uploaded :P i will have to figure out how to make that "white aura" around him without destroying it. Btw, about Muerty, Muerty's name may be an alussion? you see, Muerte is Death in spanish so "Muerty" sounds like a diminutive of Muerte. "Muerty" sounds like some spanglish name, some kind of alias xD. Dunno what you think. Sometimes i see people who speak english said "muerte" soooo i dunno.

Oh gosh yes add that, in a similar format to Tenzhill's page. Also your last edit added 666 characters LOL. Too spooky. --Novaster 22:51, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I was going to add more characters but a misterious force tell me to not :o! hahhahaa ok no xD. Ok so im going to x3! --Hikaru 22:54, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

NPC Transparencies

When you feel like doing the NPC transparencies, can you make sure Herex doesn't have the artifact in the mugshot? Don't want ppl thinking that's a consistent part of his outfit. You can get to him quickly and easily in DaN for that shot. --Novaster 01:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Extras

Quality

Whoah whoah hold on - there's a quality problem with those uploads. --Novaster 22:46, 31 August 2015 (UTC) You need to increase the anti alias of your game when capturing images. Otherwise the edges are not as smooth. Graphics need to be set to high, otherwise certain special effects, such as sheen, are lost. The angle and crop seems fine. --Novaster 22:50, 31 August 2015 (UTC) Unless they are, and for some reason, the volt driver is just being fussy? --Novaster 22:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC) I remember a few of the alchemers were fussy with their looks (perhaps old textures in java, idk much about that). Most of the images have not cleared cache so we'll have to wait and see. --Novaster 22:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

But i have my game in high, maybe it was after saved?-- *Checking* How much antialising? i got it in the minimun (x1) x//x i trough the "high" was enough. I have High and in advance sets i have just Enable vertial sync activated, the rest is unmarked--Hikaru 22:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Get the AA as high as you can. You might have to manipulate this through your graphics card, sometimes SK doesn't register the AA settings change. This is only for capture, many players want to play with settings calibrated for playing without lag etc, not sightseeing. --Novaster 23:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I will have to take the proper screen later to fix the ones i upload xD notice all have that pixel-thing :( at least i just upload somes haha. Well cya tomorrow novas take care~ Thx x3! --Hikaru 02:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Memoramdum

Fraps

OH if you're using FRAPS to capture and take a frame...make sure you're "forcing lossless RGB" in the video tab of FRAPS. --Novaster 23:09, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I use the screenshot of the game, i trough they looked good, should i use fraps's screenshots instead?--Hikaru 23:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

If you captured the rotation with screenshots that must have taken some time. FRAPS will save you a lot of time if you can easily pick out the frame. Were you using steam to screenshot or just regular screenshots? Steam tends to JPEGify things so bleh. And yes, you can save JPEG quality images as pngs. Weep. --Novaster 23:45, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the case, don't feel bad about it. The angle and crop is really good, and it's likely that they're fine and it's just the volt driver being weird (it was the only one I could check that cleared cache. Wiki is weird). I'm going to be busy the rest of the night, have fun! --Novaster 00:02, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey~ I dont have a steam acount, my screens are PNG and i did a test and seems like the change works xd i will use those and upload one justo in case. Gonna try fraps too because i just count and try to syncronize from the correct angle xd i will try more tomorrow, have a nice nite --Hikaru 05:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Animation Test

Animation images

That's an adorable menu up there. How familiar are you with APNG? I remember you downloaded the stuff in the style guide. I'm thinking it might be super sexy to update File:The Artifact.png. It's such a gorgeous object. It deserves to show itself in full. But my problem is that I can't get "clean" images of "certain things" with my methods, and I'm very impressed with how you did the modules as "representative images." --Novaster 00:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Its a chubby menu haha. And i have not tried APNG yet, but i already created a char from 0 so i can go to mission that normally u cant repeat as the first time so i can take screenshots. The artifact appears in 2-1 Ancient Generator right? I dont remember the map and have not see the specific image it is now (the "zoomed" artifact with details) but i can try :)! Do u want that image but APNG without background? (And thx haha x//x) --Hikaru 00:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I can do the APNG that way. Was wondering if you could possibly use the same method you did for the modules. The artifact image that's currently on display certainly isn't a screenshot image, and looks like a Spiral Spy thing to me, but the admins haven't deleted it (which doesn't mean it's okay, but it's more about showing the game in its full artistic glory), soooooooooo just thought we might improve it. Just to be safe, I'll ask about it first. Food for thought. --Novaster 00:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Didnt know Spiral Spy had those models too. I was wondering where did it come from xD. What u mean is that u want to improve animating it? or how exactly. I dunno much about artifact, (my memory sucks xd!) so i dunno where i have seem them and in which form (p,d: i will try again the spiral spy to check for those items, last time i forget about it because i wouldnt understand how to change somethings and how view others) --Hikaru 00:34, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

All we know about this object is on The Artifact page. It has a very beautiful animation, and I feel that a visual is worth 1k+ words at least. --Novaster 00:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

WHAT JUST HAPPEN TO THIS! ahahahahaha APNG is HELLA HARD how u guyz do the overworld then XD? btw im not drunk haha i just lmao because i was thinking "this will look nice even with background", "i been following all steps and i think i got it :D", and then NOPE said the program ahahaha worst part is, even with the incorrect crop, it doesnt look good hahaha OTL oh my... xDDD. Btw i couldnt do anything tonight D: was busy, hope tomorrow i can do a little more. Tell me about the APNG hahaha i dont think i could help with the overworld as i trough xDU not even the artifact, maybe, MAAAAYBE the tooltips of items but dunno xD! I was like okay... this is not what i expected xDD Have a good nite~ --Hikaru 09:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

That looks like a good start! There are a few programs out there we can use. What I use isn't freeware, and it's ancient (like pre-Corel-eating-Jasc ancient and I've used it for most of my conscious life), and I can't exactly encourage pirating, so I haven't yet made a guide for my methods since other free methods yield the same results. It's like asking a person to use a specific brand of more expensive colored pencil and editors should never have to spend money on the wiki's work. I'm guessing the issue is in the cropping step, as it looks to be the same dimensions as the tooltip. Since this entity isn't equipped, and quite large (as large as a knight!) it would need a different cropping parameter. For this step I open up the generated FRAPS.avi file into a program (Jasc Animation Shop v3.04) that lets me snatch a frame or a group of frames out of the entire sequence after "filming" the entire screen and edit those frames uniformly, instead of a highly specific BATCH script others use for the tooltips. It's a chunky but very nice program and I've not found anything that does everything it does in one package. But yeah not freeware. What I would do is copy the batch file, and modify anything in the copy that has "201" and "222" to match the dimensions you need for this object, then make your own alpha channel to go with it, specific to the dimensions of the artifact. If that doesn't work, search around for video editing freeware that isn't infested with viruses and that lets you crop round corners with transparencies uniformly for a group of files in sequence. --Novaster 12:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey~ I was busy and tired this few days, sorry i didnt answer. Here in my country it is really hard and freaking expensive to get some program, freeware its my only choice haha (thx fraps for make a free version) but i would have to see then, i follow the tutorial of thepc and notice he did it only for the tooltip after my result xD (keep lmao thinking about it xD) i will have to see more about it. But first i will do things her ein the wiki more than APNG before i find out more haha. Thx ^^ and sorry for the late reply --Hikaru 22:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

News Images

Alternate name? Redirects

I'm certain that our news image redirects are not from "alternate names." They are their own entities. The act of redirecting is just proper laziness to avoid some large duplicate files. When Clotho responds to their talk page, I'm sure we can work on a project incorporating better redirects. It's best to not misuse redirect tags, as they're already confusing as is. --Novaster 23:29, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Alternate name was the best i could think of xD I mean, if the News is "96" but the "173" is the same, it would fit that an "alternate name" for the 173's news is "96" right xD? I dont like to add redirect without putting them in a cat :( --Hikaru 23:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I'll bring up the specific issue on Clotho's page. For the redirect tag itself, it should not be used this way, because they are their own entities - even if they happen to be the same, they have different names. Just like the icon for "regal bolted vee" and "regal headband" are the same visual but different names. --Novaster 23:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I've brought it up. Just leave 'em alone for now, you do great work, and this is more work and is sadness because it's work to be re-done. The worst kind of work! --Novaster 23:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

As we are talking about new redirects, then we should keep the shortcut to general things, but create then a redirect from images and put all redirects to images (in ES wiki, i put redirects to prize box's icons) there. To me, it works with the actual redirects (till now) in the case of images but i did think in a new redirect when learning that you can redirects files to images without a problem. And luckly xD there arent much images here in the EN wiki to redirect :) but they are in the ES wiki xD --Hikaru 23:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that's basically what I requested on Clotho's page. Hopefully we'll get the green light. --Novaster 23:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

AFAIK as a result of talking with Clotho about it, it's fine to make new redirect criteria VERY VERY VERY carefully and sparingly...so, I made Template:R to file. --Novaster 17:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

[General] Ideas and Opinions

Click to show

Lore

For a not-soon-to-be-made (maybe-probably-never-happen) if i have time and everything seems pretty. It would be nice to have a "History" page. I havent read complety the history (from mission) but would be nice. With the Dialogues u made seems like a good choice. As u said with the mission page "like a book" i think in that but in the history timeline or something like that. Ofcourse that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far away haha but after the edits u made seems like it wouldnt be so bad cuz adding dialogues would be easily :P and artific now have their own templates --Hikaru 00:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I like to use Release/all and maintain the News page, but there's lots of things they don't make patch notes about. Unless you mean like, lore history, of almire and whatnot. That stuff is all over the place, and yes, an article linking to and summarizing lore/history would be sweet. --Novaster 00:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh look I found this. It's a start. --Novaster 00:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I had to google that! New Word to me haha. That is what i meant! In a... Timeline format or an informative format something like, a page to talk only about the history of the game, now i know "Lore" would capsule all what i was saying haha. Im a dork for those thing haha but ofcourse, i prefer organizing the information that is like a future-not-soon-proyect i would like to help with :)!--Hikaru 00:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Echo Stone

I'm not sure how to go about the format of echo stone showhides.

Echo Stone: Gloaming Wildwoods

A smooth, white stone recovered in the Sanctuary. Holding it, you hear a voice within your mind:

I DREAM...

WITHIN MY DREAM I SAW IT OPEN THE VOID, FELT ITS ENDLESS HUNGER.

YOU ARE SAFE HERE, KNIGHT.
WITHIN THIS DREAM, ITS MANY EYES CANNOT SEE YOU NOR CAN ITS MANY ARMS REACH YOU.

BUT THIS DREAM IS FLEETING. USE WHAT IS HERE TO PREPARE FOR THE BATTLE TO COME.
IT KNOWS OF YOU NOW. IT WILL FIND A WAY OUT AND COME FOR YOU.

There's an example. Thoughts? Trying to find a balance between mimicking the in-game interface and being usable on the wiki. Recon modules were easier, echo stones are weird. Might end up just simplifying it. --Novaster 05:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I dont see anything that will affect the wiki, actually mimicking the game interface is something that makes them nice :). But sadly i dont know how much echo stone mimic the game cuz i have never been in Shadow Lair u//u! Buuuut the Recon Module mimic the in-game perfectly (taking in count what wiki can make and not) So for those that have not went to Shadow Lair is a good thing that can see at least how will it look :3 --Hikaru 06:07, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah it's this whole interactive thing that takes up the whole screen D: --Novaster 06:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

But it looks good on a screen from tablet/cellphone/etc and from a normal computer, even with 1024x768 resolutions, it fit xD. Well i saw the page in my phone (The screen is not huge but neither is small) and in my computer i have 1920x1080 resolution but i resizer the window to test it and still is enough space :P! Maaaaybe, 800x600 will see snuggly but in phone looks good so 800x600 would be okay too --Hikaru 06:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Page Area Opinion

Area Format

We are developing a format for areas - here if you want to feedback. --Novaster 23:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The mistakes is the awesome part hahaha, no need to check one by one which is awesome :D! I was reading the post, i already voted and give a feedback of what i think :P --Hikaru 00:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Coolio. --Novaster 00:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

New Opal Visuals

Opal Prize Box

This opal stuff might take a while to get pics of, I have a feeling not many will be unboxed. Also I have a tummy ache. --Novaster 19:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Okay then~ Btw, i have to admit Opal Aura looks cool, but im kinda sad its just prize box what the game is giving :(! Later i could do the "new prize box"'s work to help you. Rest for your ache :) sure is annoying D: --Hikaru 19:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I'm going to go do that. Only edit if it's fun, it's not fun for me right now xD --Novaster 19:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

EventExpired Tag

EventExpired

Merp, opinion on this? In short, it doesn't make sense to have it for certain things and not others, and it interrupts the flow of a page in an unneeded manner. I only support the reskin tag because it might save players some actual cash to get the less expensive version. --Novaster 20:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Just left a vote :3 i usually forgot discussions pages exist outsite user's pages xD --Hikaru 22:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

About Userspace

Userspace Edits

I think I've worked out a solution for our recent upsets. Looking over this and providing some perspective on Clotho's talk page would help push the policy into review stage, to be rejected/modified/accepted. --Novaster 20:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

It is a good idea actually. I just leave my opinion :). Hope this could be made so users understand that, even if we know its a mistake, they dont get mad for the change. For later, more than a tutorial, we can add an "SpiralKnight:" page for the user page (with the policy is approved). To be honest, being new here, couldnt find the page where it help you do a user page, it took me a while to find it, maybe because "tutorial" wouldnt be a good name for me, but something like a "SpiralKnight:" page WITH the tutorial inside, we can add the categories that have the icons usefull for the pages. Hope this advance :) --Hikaru 20:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

P.D: not related but all those mistake in the disguise box was me haha. Sorry i tried my best within the new box of items, it was way easy with the autumn prize box x//D --Hikaru 20:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks :). Don't worry about it...I think we all know prize boxes are all kinds of silly. Even the forum admins :P --Novaster 20:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, Clotho says it's up to us. So now booty scooty feedback over to here. --Novaster 02:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Woopie. I think a revision of the style guide would be fun, but it would need its own forum node, and I can start that after making a decent base for people to work from. So much wikipedia MoS source linking to do. Subpages would definitely help with the organization. I might have to make this a priority over other projects, because I will likely be far too busy with icky real life to help the wiki as much as people are used to. Which is an unhealthy amount. --Novaster 23:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Yay~ Dunno if subpages would be SpiralKnights:Style guide/subpagename or SpiralKnights:subpagename, i like the first better, but dunno how will work. And yeah, i saw your To Do List and thaaaaats alot ._.!!! Dont push yourself too much tho, i will see how much help i can do there :) --Hikaru 00:08, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Smashing Moustache

Smashing

Done~ Btw, talking about allusions, im pretty sure the new Smashing Moustache is a reference to Nigel Thornberry's meme. --Hikaru 23:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I've been wondering about how to word it. --Novaster 23:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I had a go at it. --Novaster 23:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

It seems good to me :D! --Hikaru 01:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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+==Lore==
-==Mission Pages==
+For a not-soon-to-be-made (maybe-probably-never-happen) if i have time and everything seems pretty. It would be nice to have a "History" page. I havent read complety the history (from mission) but would be nice. With the Dialogues u made seems like a good choice. As u said with the mission page "like a book" i think in that but in the history timeline or something like that. Ofcourse that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far away haha but after the edits u made seems like it wouldnt be so bad cuz adding dialogues would be easily :P and artific now have their own templates --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
-Your work on [[Faith in Armor]] is great! Thanks! As you can imagine, there's a lot of work to do there. Many missions don't even have their own pages V_V. It's been a long slow project over the past few months - the best thing about the mission overhaul IMO is the [[:Category:Gate Maps|Gate Maps]] (something I've wanted, and wanted to do, ever since I was a newbie) as well as the ability to just click through individual missions using the preceded/followed by section in the infobox. Like reading a book! It will get all of my focus after this acquisition project. Feel free to work on mission pages if you want, of course. 0 pressure. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
+:I like to use [[Release/all]] and maintain the [[News]] page, but there's lots of things they don't make patch notes about. Unless you mean like, lore history, of almire and whatnot. That stuff is all over the place, and yes, an article linking to and summarizing lore/history would be sweet. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Hey~ Thx ^^ i did one just in case but maybe i can help adding the format to the existences one and yes! The "Previous/Next Mission" was a really cool idea instead of going again to the mission list :D that was something i like when i saw the format ^^! The mission's format is really great, tbh most of the new format were the principal motive why i start wanting to edit, to help making everything look that nice :D! I will try to help in the proyects while i can ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:42, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
+:Oh look I found [[:Category:Lore|this]]. It's a start. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
+::I had to google that! New Word to me haha. That is what i meant! In a... Timeline format or an informative format something like, a page to talk only about the history of the game, now i know "Lore" would capsule all what i was saying haha. Im a dork for those thing haha but ofcourse, i prefer organizing the information that is like a future-not-soon-proyect i would like to help with :)!--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
-==Parameter Gallery==
-Leave out the <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki> parameter if the level is randomly generated segments, unless it has a special scenario players always run into (such as the one in An Occurrence at Owlite Keep). Looks like you're having fun! I should have some time tomorrow to do some things...then...be gone for a long time ;n; --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Ohh ok then! Random = <nowiki>'''Gallery'''</nowiki>, if isnt random then the <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki>. I was going to ask too, host rank means when players can access to that mission (color image and start available) or when players can see the mission but cant enter (gray color with a lock image)?. Hahah yeah i decided to help the more i can with that, i have some dialogues for newest mission i need to transcribe too ^^. Dont be sad, u have a well winning vacations for all the great things u have done in this wiki :3! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 03:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
-::Nothing uses <nowiki>'''Gallery'''</nowiki> anymore, only use <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki>. I fixed that up a while back because it was such a consistent entry it deserved its own parameter. Only use the <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki> parameter for randomly generated areas in the situation outlined above. Of course, we always use it for set maps. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Showhide|Boss Missions|content=
+{{Showhide|Echo Stone|content=
-=="Boss Stratum Missions"==
+==Echo Stone==
-Heads up - we want to make sure the chronology of these areas is very clear. Be sure to include a notes section on mission pages, including release date. For missions which drop the player directly into a boss stratum, refer to [[Shadow of the Beast]] for examples of wording in the notes section. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
+I'm not sure how to go about the format of echo stone showhides.
-:Oh yeah, i trough that when i saw there wasn't page for boss missions but, i dunno, i see its easier if i put the format just to be filled later so when i start my run-mule would be easy to see what is missing and what not. I put the needs update's tag to each of ones im adding without basic info--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
+{{:Echo Stone: Gloaming Wildwoods}}
-::Sounds efficient. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:37, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
+There's an example. Thoughts? Trying to find a balance between mimicking the in-game interface and being usable on the wiki. Recon modules were easier, echo stones are weird. Might end up just simplifying it. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
-:::Im doing it cuz i know im going to work in them later, at least people would now that its a WiP xD. Im been slow this day but luckily i will start filling the info faster :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:06, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
+:I dont see anything that will affect the wiki, actually mimicking the game interface is something that makes them nice :). But sadly i dont know how much echo stone mimic the game cuz i have never been in Shadow Lair u//u! Buuuut the Recon Module mimic the in-game perfectly (taking in count what wiki can make and not) So for those that have not went to Shadow Lair is a good thing that can see at least how will it look :3 --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:07, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
+::Yeah it's this whole interactive thing that takes up the whole screen D: --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
+:::But it looks good on a screen from tablet/cellphone/etc and from a normal computer, even with 1024x768 resolutions, it fit xD. Well i saw the page in my phone (The screen is not huge but neither is small) and in my computer i have 1920x1080 resolution but i resizer the window to test it and still is enough space :P! Maaaaybe, 800x600 will see snuggly but in phone looks good so 800x600 would be okay too --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Showhide|Complicated Missions|content=
+{{Showhide|Page Area Opinion|content=
-==Complicated Missions==
+==Area Format==
-So, many missions (mostly Dangerous Prestige) have extremely complex areas one after another, but the map is set. I don't think editors would like cropping out sections of a fixed map, so I came up with a potential solution - check out [[Talk:Heart_of_Ice#Third_Floor|Heart of Ice: Amu-Sol]]. Of course, where the red text is, would be screenshots of the relevant area. Conveniently, the mini map will show the map segment the area is in, and it will always be included in the screenshot. I feel that this data is desired, because several of these pages have the data in some way, added by editors in the past. We're just organizing it. Of course, major entities such as Maulos will end up on their own pages, as part of the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/111580 monster overhaul]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
+We are developing a format for areas - [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/111949 here] if you want to feedback. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Oh yeah, bosses will definitive need their own page and category. I like the format, it is easy and useful, but dunno if would look better with a show/hide (dunno maybe im loving show/hide too much haha) I really doubt i could make danger mission's gallery because i suck at those xD but who knows-- Oh and u didnt tell me about the Host rank parametre --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 09:13, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
+:The mistakes is the awesome part hahaha, no need to check one by one which is awesome :D! I was reading the post, i already voted and give a feedback of what i think :P --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
+::Coolio. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
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+{{Showhide|New Opal Visuals|content=
-==Format==
+==Opal Prize Box==
-{{Showhide|General|content=
+This opal stuff might take a while to get pics of, I have a feeling not many will be unboxed. Also I have a tummy ache. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
-==Format Tips==
+:Okay then~ Btw, i have to admit Opal Aura looks cool, but im kinda sad its just prize box what the game is giving :(! Later i could do the "new prize box"'s work to help you. Rest for your ache :) sure is annoying D: --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
-*The Mission Goal it is almost always "Get to the elevator."
+::Yeah I'm going to go do that. Only edit if it's fun, it's not fun for me right now xD --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
-*And yeah we really have to improve the notes/exploration sections of these pages/floors. Basically, put notes in the notes section.
-*Monsters don't belong in the exploration section at all, as they have their own section.
-*Runthrough tips don't belong in the exploration section.
-*[[Exploration]] entities as well as explaining the geography of the area belongs in this section.
---[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-:I think i understand now :P it confused me just a little the 1A 2A and those but i prefer to ask if i get to take some screen for the galleries.
-:I can do the map color ^^! i was thinking in how u do it and i was right xD and HUDless would be usefull but i dont think that option wouldnt be available in a near/long future.
-:One question, what u mean by: "...with as many things as standardized as possible..." and "...I've been trying to take pictures of normal, statusless areas..." i didnt get those things xD. Dunno what u meant with "standardized" and "normal, statusless"--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-::So like...I would prefer to take a picture in "Clockwork Tunnels: Wild Path" instead of "Blast Furnace: Wild Path." --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Showhide|Monsters|content=
+{{Showhide|EventExpired Tag|content=
-==Monster Order==
+==EventExpired==
-I see u move some mobs, it is because i have to put them like:<br>
+Merp, opinion on [[Template talk:Eventexpired|this]]? In short, it doesn't make sense to have it for certain things and not others, and it interrupts the flow of a page in an unneeded manner. I only support the reskin tag because it might save players some actual cash to get the less expensive version. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
-{{Monster_Icons|Beast}} Beast<br>
+: Just left a vote :3 i usually forgot discussions pages exist outsite user's pages xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
-{{Monster_Icons|Construct}} Construct<br>
-{{Monster_Icons|Fiend}} Fiend<br>
-{{Monster_Icons|Gremlin}} Gremlin<br>
-{{Monster_Icons|Slime}} Slime<br>
-{{Monster_Icons|Undead}} Undead<br>
-but not by mob-alphabetic? (Like [[Frostifur_Fandango#Third_Floor|here]] that u add Wolver and then Alpha Wolver without being A first to W?)--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Yes, alphabetize monsters within family as well as by family. I've been trying to keep it organized by family at least. It's a huge project so it's difficult to do everything correctly the first time. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:05, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-==Monster Template==
-Oh it's fine. We improved a few things. Major changes include map naming convention and the use of [[Template:Monster]] as a linking template. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Ohh i like the Monster template :D no need to add the icons all over the wiki. I will fix the mission's page now and see which one is lacking of this template ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
-::IKR! Half a day of coding to take care of an eternity of potential mistakes. It's also faster. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Showhide|About Maps|content=
+{{Showhide|About Userspace|content=
-==How to make Maps==
+==Userspace Edits==
-It's an incredibly tedious cropping process. Someone wrote a script a long time ago, before we had the overlay, but I have not tried it.
+I think I've worked out a solution for our recent upsets. Looking over [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/User_talk:Clotho#Duplicate_Icon_Issue this] and providing some perspective on Clotho's talk page would help push the policy into review stage, to be rejected/modified/accepted. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
-*Then I color the map in with the same colors as the minimap so it's all clear.
+:It is a good idea actually. I just leave my opinion :). Hope this could be made so users understand that, even if we know its a mistake, they dont get mad for the change. For later, more than a tutorial, we can add an "SpiralKnight:" page for the user page (with the policy is approved). To be honest, being new here, couldnt find the page where it help you do a user page, it took me a while to find it, maybe because  "tutorial" wouldnt be a good name for me, but something like a "SpiralKnight:" page WITH the tutorial inside, we can add the categories that have the icons usefull for the pages. Hope this advance :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
---[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
+:'''P.D:''' not related but all those mistake in the disguise box was me haha. Sorry i tried my best within the new box of items, it was way easy with the autumn prize box x//D --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
+::Thanks :). Don't worry about it...I think we all know prize boxes are all kinds of silly. Even the forum admins :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
+:::Well, Clotho says it's up to us. So now booty scooty feedback over to [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/112452 here]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
+::::Woopie. I think a revision of the style guide would be fun, but it would need its own forum node, and I can start that after making a decent base for people to work from. So much wikipedia MoS source linking to do. Subpages would definitely help with the organization. I might have to make this a priority over other projects, because I will likely be far too busy with icky real life to help the wiki as much as people are used to. Which is an unhealthy amount. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
+:::::Yay~ Dunno if subpages would be SpiralKnights:Style guide/subpagename or SpiralKnights:subpagename, i like the first better, but dunno how will work. And yeah, i saw your To Do List and thaaaaats alot ._.!!! Dont push yourself too much tho, i will see how much help i can do there :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:08, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Showhide|About Screens|content=
+{{Showhide|Smashing Moustache|content=
-==How to take Screens==
+==Smashing==
-How do you "follow" a format to take screens? I created a char to make screns and gather dialogues but how do i begin? (Btw, this can be in some days first i am going to add the format to almost all and other things but just so i know :D) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
+Done~ Btw, talking about allusions, im pretty sure the new Smashing Moustache is a reference to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iKrTNX6OE Nigel Thornberry]'s meme. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
-:Well what I do is:
+:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iKrTNX6OE I've been wondering about how to word it]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
-*Type '''/cle''' into the chatbox (to remove text and take care of privacy issues and clutter)
+:I had a go at it. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
-*Collapse the side menus that display your mail/forge etc, and take the screenshot with Print Screen command.
+::It seems good to me :D! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
-*I try to take a screenshot with as many things as standardized as possible (for [[User:Novaster/Sandbox|my personal sandbox]] project I've been trying to take pictures of normal, statusless areas and update them whenever I remember to do so).
-* also remove monster HP bars as these clutter the shot, but I know a few of pics have these bars. I really wish players had a HUDless option so we could take [[:File:Graveyard.png|pictures like this]].
-*Oh and I'll have graphics on high, of course.
---[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Showhide|Naming|content=
-==Image's Names==
-As far as naming goes, I have been tryyyyyyyyyyyying to do it like so: [[:File:Area-Toy Soldiers-Production Center-1A.png|Area-MISSION-FLOOR.png]], or just [[:File:Map-Clockwork Tunnels-L-1A.png|Area-AREA-Segment.png]] As far as I can tell, the number/letter system (the -1A, -2A bit) I came up with a while ago is more annoying than useful, so just using nothing, 2,3 might be better. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-==Floor Wording==
-I did a few fixes here and there, but I have to go for tonight. These are tiny finicky things that ultimately don't matter, but are nice to keep consistent. Which is better wording, do you think -
-"This floor is composed of random AREANAME segments." or "An area similar to AREANAME"?
-We can't just say "This floor is AREANAME," because missions do not have [[scenario room]]s in the random pool for level creation, so they are not truly AREANAME. We settled on the second one when we made gate maps (mostly), but I think the first one in general makes more sense. To save work, we'd stick with the second one. But it seems a little vague, and that's not good for a wiki, now that I'm looking at it later. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Ohh get it now! Thx ^^ i too like details so i can understand :D i will keep it them like "An area similar to AREANAME" then ^^. Will try my best, after i work sometimes in an specific format (like main list or mission page) it seems like its better to keep somethings to last, at least for me, cuz at the end of fixing all mission page, u can think "well, the mayority of the page have X thing so i can add it like X to all" and keep the consistence that, even if its not big deal, details make everything beutiful haha. I too will go to sleep soon so have a good nite~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 02:31, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
-::Had a talk with another editor, we feel that the "This floor is composed of random AREANAME segments" is best. I shall make a template to use for this phrase and area linking...probably tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:47, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
-:::Well I got inspired and did it. [[Template:Area|here's the template]] and I've fixed up all the gate maps and floor templates. Likely made a few mistakes, feel free to check (please do). Use the area template for mission pages in the floor template's exploration section, they should pretty much be copy pastes from the Gate Map, though don't mention monsters in the exploration section. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
-::::Yeah i saw ^^! Sorry i didnt reply, wasnt in the computer. Im gonna use this format then :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
-:::::Hurray~. I'm working on the gloaming maps atm. So many little corners! The artifact project I've started shouldn't take long to complete. I'm looking forward to cleaning up the page...hopefully it won't blow up into a huge project! haha. But I'd like for users to have easier access to this content. If it's on the NPC and mission pages as well as the commemorative artifact page, I think a lot more people will be exposed to it more often. What do you think? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
-::::::Oh i didnt see the recent changes till now, finally shadow of the beast have content :D. I like the Artifact added to the mission page. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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