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The Dash and Penalty columns show movement speed data. To collect such data, the tester goes to the train platform on the west side of Moorcroft Manor, with no movement speed increase or decrease. The tester runs from the north end of the platform to the south end three times, with the sword charged. The average of the three times is shown in the Dash column. When not charging a weapon, this dash takes a baseline 6.8 seconds. The Penalty column shows how much longer than baseline the observed dash time is; it's a measure of how much charging the sword slows down the user.
 
The Dash and Penalty columns show movement speed data. To collect such data, the tester goes to the train platform on the west side of Moorcroft Manor, with no movement speed increase or decrease. The tester runs from the north end of the platform to the south end three times, with the sword charged. The average of the three times is shown in the Dash column. When not charging a weapon, this dash takes a baseline 6.8 seconds. The Penalty column shows how much longer than baseline the observed dash time is; it's a measure of how much charging the sword slows down the user.
  
The 0 to +6 columns of the table contain CPM data. To collect such data, the tester goes to a safe area, such as Moorcroft Manor. For each level of charge time reduction (CTR), the tester executes charge attacks for a minute straight against thin air, turning as necessary to avoid obstacles. Each test is repeated until it seems to settle on a single answer for the CPM. However, even then the results should be regarded as approximate. Also, we should note that all tests are carried out with ASI: Maximum!, because ASI has a small effect on charge attack speed. For example, Combuster CTR High does 16 charges per minute at ASI: None, but 17 charges per minute at ASI: Maximum!
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The 0 to +6 columns of the table contain CPM data. To collect such data, the tester goes to a safe area, such as Moorcroft Manor. For each level of charge time reduction (CTR), the tester executes charge attacks for a minute straight against thin air, turning as necessary to avoid obstacles. Each test is repeated until it seems to settle on a single answer for the CPM. However, even then the results should be regarded as approximate. Also, we should note that all tests are carried out with ASI+6, because ASI has a small effect on charge attack speed. For example, Combuster CTR+3 does 16 charges per minute at ASI+0, but 17 charges per minute at ASI+6.
  
 
Based on the data so far, each level of CTR increases the charges per minute by an average of 6.4%.
 
Based on the data so far, each level of CTR increases the charges per minute by an average of 6.4%.
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==Almost-Combo: Speed and DPS==
 
==Almost-Combo: Speed and DPS==
  
An almost-combo is a combo that stops one stroke short. Gunners perform almost-combos frequently, to avoid reloading. Claims have been made that almost-combos lead to high DPS on swords as well. So let's collect data about how many almost-combos per minute (APM) a sword can perform, and what sort of DPS this generates against each monster family. To keep the table manageable, let's study just ASI: Maximum!.
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An almost-combo is a combo that stops one stroke short. Gunners perform almost-combos frequently, to avoid reloading. Claims have been made that almost-combos lead to high DPS on swords as well. So let's collect data about how many almost-combos per minute (APM) a sword can perform, and what sort of DPS this generates against each monster family. To keep the table manageable, let's study just ASI+6.
  
 
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Revision as of 13:17, 24 August 2012

These sword measurements are part of the Lancer Knightz data collection project. We also have some handgun data. If you'd like to help us collect such measurements, then please contact the project administrator, Donkeyhaute. Thanks to Squamph and Bopp for some of the data.

Combo: Speed and DPS

This table shows the combos per minute of various swords, at various levels of attack speed increase (ASI). To collect such data, the tester goes to a safe area, such as Moorcroft Manor. He (or she) executes combos for a minute straight against thin air, turning as necessary to avoid obstacles. He records the result in the hidden HTML comments in this table. The test is repeated until it seems to settle on a single answer, which is entered into the table explicitly. However, even this reproducible answer should be regarded as approximate.

Name Damage -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6
Leviathan Blade normal 31 32 34 35 36 37 38
Cold Iron Vanquisher normal
Dread Venom Striker normal 24 25 26 27 28 29 29
Wild Hunting Blade normal
Sudaruska normal 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
Triglav normal
Final Flourish piercing 33 35 36 37 38 39 40
Fearless Rigadoon piercing
Furious Flamberge piercing
Barbarous Thorn Blade piercing 33 35 36 37 38 39 40
Combuster elem+norm 31 33 34 35 36 38 39
Glacius elem+norm 31 33 34 35 36 38 39
Voltedge elem+norm
Divine Avenger elem+norm 32 33 34 35 37
Fang of Vog elem+norm 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
Warmaster Rocket Hammer elemental 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Acheron shad+norm 31 33 34 35 36 38 39
Gran Faust shad+norm 31 33 34 35 36

Some remarks:

  • In most cases, each increment of ASI results in a 3%-4% increase in the number of combos per minute. The average increase is about 3.5%.
  • Either Dread Venom Striker reaches a speed cap, or the tester just can't swing fast enough to exploit ASI+6.
  • Gran Faust's speed bar is much longer than Divine Avenger's, although it seems no faster in practice. These data support that view that GF is not faster than DA.

The following table computes the damage per second (DPS) that results from carrying out combos as fast as possible. In detail, we take the ASI+6 data from the table above. For swords with no data (e.g., Voltedge), we use the available data from similar swords (Glacius). We look up the depth-28 damage on the wiki. We total the damage for all of the strokes in the sword's combo. Then we compute

damage per second = damage per combo * combos per minute * minutes per second,

where minutes per second is obviously 1/60. It is worth noting that, because combos per minute are precise to within a few percent only, so is DPS precise to within a few percent only. For example, the difference between 628 (Combuster against constructs) and 607 (Final Flourish against beasts) may not be significant.

Name Damage Slimes Gremlins Beasts Fiends Undead Constructs
Leviathan Blade normal 420 420 420 420 420 420
Cold Iron Vanquisher normal 386 386 386 386 386
Dread Venom Striker normal 433 433 433 433 433 433
Wild Hunting Blade normal 433 433 545 433 433 433
Sudaruska normal 309 309 309 309 309 309
Triglav normal 309 309 309 309 309 309
Final Flourish piercing 99 443 607 607 443 99
Fearless Rigadoon piercing 87 342 513 513 342 87
Furious Flamberge piercing 87 342 513 513 342 87
Barbarous Thorn Blade piercing 99 443 607 607 443 99
Combuster elem+norm 454 296 296 454 628 628
Glacius elem+norm 454 296 296 454 628 628
Voltedge elem+norm 454 296 296 454 628 628
Divine Avenger elem+norm 368 233 233 368 477 477
Fang of Vog elem+norm 329 218 218 329 468 468
Warmaster Rocket Hammer elemental 366 81 81 366 492 492
Acheron shad+norm 628 628 454 296 296 454
Gran Faust shad+norm 464 464 358 227 227 358

Charge: Speed and Movement Speed

This table shows two kinds of data about sword charges: how fast the user can move while charging, and how many charges per minute (CPM) the sword allows.

The Dash and Penalty columns show movement speed data. To collect such data, the tester goes to the train platform on the west side of Moorcroft Manor, with no movement speed increase or decrease. The tester runs from the north end of the platform to the south end three times, with the sword charged. The average of the three times is shown in the Dash column. When not charging a weapon, this dash takes a baseline 6.8 seconds. The Penalty column shows how much longer than baseline the observed dash time is; it's a measure of how much charging the sword slows down the user.

The 0 to +6 columns of the table contain CPM data. To collect such data, the tester goes to a safe area, such as Moorcroft Manor. For each level of charge time reduction (CTR), the tester executes charge attacks for a minute straight against thin air, turning as necessary to avoid obstacles. Each test is repeated until it seems to settle on a single answer for the CPM. However, even then the results should be regarded as approximate. Also, we should note that all tests are carried out with ASI+6, because ASI has a small effect on charge attack speed. For example, Combuster CTR+3 does 16 charges per minute at ASI+0, but 17 charges per minute at ASI+6.

Based on the data so far, each level of CTR increases the charges per minute by an average of 6.4%.

Name Damage Dash Penalty 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6
Leviathan Blade normal 6.9 1% 15.5 16.5 18 19 21
Cold Iron Vanquisher normal
Dread Venom Striker normal 6.9 1% 15 15.5 16 17 18
Wild Hunting Blade normal
Sudaruska normal 8.3 22% 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 14 15
Triglav normal
Final Flourish piercing 7.6 12% 16.5 17.5
Fearless Rigadoon piercing
Furious Flamberge piercing
Barbarous Thorn Blade piercing 7.6 12% 15.5 16.5 18 19 21
Combuster elem+norm 6.9 1% 17 18 19.5 21
Glacius elem+norm 6.9 1% 17 18 19.5 21
Voltedge elem+norm
Divine Avenger elem+norm 8.3 22% 16 17 18.5
Fang of Vog elem+norm 6.9 1% 14.5 15 15.5 16 17
Warmaster Rocket Hammer elemental 8.1 19% 10.5 11 11.5 12 13
Acheron shad+norm 6.9 1% 16 17 18 19.5 21
Gran Faust shad+norm 8.3 22% 10 11 12 13 14

Almost-Combo: Speed and DPS

An almost-combo is a combo that stops one stroke short. Gunners perform almost-combos frequently, to avoid reloading. Claims have been made that almost-combos lead to high DPS on swords as well. So let's collect data about how many almost-combos per minute (APM) a sword can perform, and what sort of DPS this generates against each monster family. To keep the table manageable, let's study just ASI+6.

Name Damage APM Slimes Gremlins Beasts Fiends Undead Constructs
Leviathan Blade normal
Cold Iron Vanquisher normal
Dread Venom Striker normal
Wild Hunting Blade normal
Sudaruska normal
Triglav normal
Final Flourish piercing
Fearless Rigadoon piercing
Furious Flamberge piercing
Barbarous Thorn Blade piercing
Combuster elem+norm
Glacius elem+norm
Voltedge elem+norm
Divine Avenger elem+norm
Fang of Vog elem+norm
Warmaster Rocket Hammer elemental
Acheron shad+norm
Gran Faust shad+norm
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