User talk:Equinox/archive3

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Hey this is anders1319 here, and i didn't know you can ban people :| IT WORKS OMG IT WORKS OMG OMG OMG THANK YOU FOR FIXING IT ;U; Saphykun 14:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

WE TOTALLY NEED A WIKI PARTY TO CELEBRATE! --D0gr0ck 14:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

YAY, IT'S FIXED! AND GOOD IDEA D0GR0CK, I'LL BRING THE CUPCAKES! ~Katmint 15:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, it is not actually fixed. However, I promise you that when it is fixed, we should all plan to celebrate by obsessively updating images WHILE EATING CUPCAKES. --Equinox 01:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

OMG YOUR RIGHT it really isn't fix *sob* Saphykun 01:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I can't wait til it's actually fixed, those issues trying to get images to show up correctly on here are always a pain. --Vermilionshadow 00:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Vog cub theory

This is not confirmed, but i do have a theory about the whereabouts of the Vog Cub. When I saw the vog cub in the promo vid, i noticed that the vog cub basically acted like a tier 3 fire wolver. Also, monsters can have different names on different tiers, such as the Trojan being known as Dark Trojan (T2) and Trojan Nightmare (T3), Chromalisk being known as Chroma Whelp (T1) and Bull Chroma (T3), Virulisk known as Deadly Virulisk at T3, etc. So i was wondering, maybe the current T3 Ash Tail is actually the Vog Cub, but with an updated appearance? It does have glowing symbols after all. If that is true, the same could also be said that the T3 Frostifur can also be known as the Skolver. Just wondering what you think of this theory. --Conanwong

Nope, the Vog Cub is an actual monster separate from the fire type wolvers. It's just not present in game right now. --Equinox 21:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Vog cub

Hello Equinox, I'm trying to fix some broken links but I'm having a little trouble. I noticed the entry for the vog cub at the Wolver article which was missing a hidden header, so after changing that Wolver#Notable_Wolvers got an added sub-entry called Wolver#Vog_Cub. I updated the Visual_Encyclopedia/creature vog cub entry to reflect that, but noticed that the image "File:Monster-Vog_Cub.PNG" gets linked incorrectly in the wolver article because of the capitalized .png file extension. I tried to download that and re-upload as "" but you've protected that entry because people uploaded an incorrect image earlier. Trying to update the old *.PNG image won't allow changing file names.

So in summary could you please

• Correct the file name by re-uploading the file "File:Monster-Vog_Cub.PNG" after renaming it to Monster-Vog_Cub.png?
• Give me a message at my talk page so I can update the entries at Visual_Encyclopedia/creature and Talk:Wolver?

Edit: I'll also see if I can screenshot a few of the missing images.

Due to the image uploading issues, I'm actually waiting to see if anyone has a clear screenshot of the vog cub (or if it is put back in game, get one then). --Equinox 15:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Help me please, i am wiki illiterate.

Hello.

A few days ago, i made a wiki page for a friend (Annete)a as she is rubbish with wiki stuff. I am not much better so somehow, i ended up with duplicate pages. I linked one of the pages I made for her to my guild's wiki page (Gambit), however the link to her page, under her name is red, indicating that it doesn't exist...when it should.

You wrote to me, but what you had to say wasn't really relevant to my problem as Annetea, isn't my own alternative character - it's a friend's character that i was simply trying to make a basic wiki page for. Is there some way you can retrieve the deleted page and make it link properly for me?

Any help would be much appreciated.

My articles won't display properly when I'm logged off.

When I'm logged on, the entire edited article is displayed to me. When I'm logged off, however, it only shows a single line of text which was what the page looked like before I edited it. This leads me to believe that people without wiki accounts will be unable to see my edited article. Do you know how to solve this issue? I appreciate your help.

-Sincerely, Aruceus27

P.S.,

The specific article I am talking about is the Bechamel article.

Whoops, screwed up an upload.

Tried to upload Twinkle Aura-Equipped.png, but I missed the warning that there'd been a file there previously. Could you please delete it again? Sorry for the inconvenience. --Vagueabond 03:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Preview Server's Monsters

Just to inform you Equinox, I currently have an image of nearly all the enemies in the 4 new areas in the Test Server. I even have an unpoisoned shot of some of the bosses (I'm waiting until the new freeze boss's room is fixed since it shows some weird black and red outline of a trap in the middle of the room instead of the trap itself.) Note to reply: No image has, and will be uploaded anywhere online until it has been released onto the regular server. --Vermilionshadow 23:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

New Standard? I've spent the past 8 hours updating the accesory wiki to TheTric's template

Extension

If you'd like to, and if you're able to, can you please install this extension? It'll allow use like this: {{#inCategory:Angelic Helm|Helmet top attachment|Display Icon|Blank}} etc. Would help greatly for example the gear list. [1] --TGYoshi 11:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Ooo that looks neat. I cannot personally install extensions, but I will add the request to the list and let you know if it is installed. --Equinox 13:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Great, we'll see. --TGYoshi 14:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Shadow Alchemy Station

Thank you! I really appreciate you uploading that picture, it really finishes the page! It followed my request to the "T"! Thank you so much! :D --Kazamh 21:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Finally, the real Vog Cub

After nearly a week searching for a way to get an image of the original Vog Cub, I finally managed to find the model implemented (but not used) in the game (or at least in its database).

I think I can say that after all this work ... I managed to find the authentic Vog Cub!

[[File:Model-Vog_Cub.png|360px|left|thumb|Near the end of his life, my Vog Cub becomes more beautiful and natural than ever. T.T]]

Please tell me if I am right :D --Klauser 08:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

Might be me, but I'm quite sure this shouldn't be uploaded here since it's not in-game, but some source-model-viewer thingy. --TGYoshi 09:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

But it could be really useful to be able to include bigger HD pictures of only the monsters/weapons/items/etc... to improve the wiki. I mean, with a picture of the model itself, we can have better and more especific pictures of what we wants to include in the wiki, and not just a screenshot with bad quality taken in the game...

I'm not sure if I have explained correctly what I want to say... But I'm just imagining possibilities... --Klauser 11:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

Sounds like cheating the displays to me. By the way, did you read the note at uploading pictures? "Wiki images illustrating articles need to be in-game images. Please do NOT upload Spyral-Spy images as they will be deleted." Seems like you didn't. --TGYoshi 10:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

In fact, in the Spanish interface of the wiki's uploading screen doesn't say absolutely nothing about it. Does not even say anything like that in the standars uploading Screenshots and images... So sorry for this little mess, but understand that I could not know anything about that before. (Try it, changing your languaje into Spanish in your Preferences and then enter in any Upload Image page... You will not see any warning at all.)

However, using this program can perfectly simulate the game environment, so I do not see much sense to the rule of just screenshots. Especially if many images of monsters today have poor quality and could be improved infinitely rendering models of the game ... For the record, I'm just thinking about the quality of the wiki. I do not understand why to waste a material that is part of the game legitimately. --Klauser 12:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

However, however, however, it's quite clear that it's not really allowed. To be fair, I prefer in-game images over 'spiral-spy' images. They are more natural. It's just cheap to get the stuff you want straight out of the game's source. --TGYoshi 10:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Unless you're the same person as Equinox, I think it is best to wait for him to respond (Even if he thinks like you, I think to discuss with you on HIS talk page makes no sense, I came here to talk to him after all, right?). Even if it is not allowed, my interface to the wiki tells me nothing about that, so from my point of view (based on what I see) there is a mistake somewhere, because for me, upload these pictures is not only permitted, but nobody suggests otherwise anywhere (except you now and probably Equinox in the near future)... Until then, maybe I'm doing nothing but waiting... --Klauser 13:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

So.. I can conclude you've actually 'posted' this talk on the wrong talk page. Maybe the Vog Cub monster talk page fits much better. Since I love discussing with you about why 'spiral-spy' is bad.

By the way, I would feel a bit sad if all of my uploaded images were replaced by cheap 'spiral-spy' images. Really. Waste of my time. --TGYoshi 11:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

"Actually" there's not a Vog Cub Monster Talk Page just a few lines in the Wolver Talk Page and... as I can see, here (in the Equinox Talk Page) there's a lot of more material about the Vog Cub than there. In fact I have posted this talk here because it was just a question to Equinox and a talk with him. For me in not a question about if it is cheaper or not... It's just a question about what is better, but I really understand you, I know what is to work very hard in something and to not want it to be changed at any prize... As I have said before, I'm just waiting for Equinox to enlighten me ideas on how I should proceed from now on in this matter.--Klauser 14:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

Whatever, do what you want, but the English upload page already told you the answer. I'm almost sure Equinox will say the same as I did (and the upload page..). --TGYoshi 12:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure he will. Just trying to tell you that you can stop responding in this talk because I'll wait for his answer anyway (while clarifying that your argument about my location error was not successful). But now seriously, please stop responding for Equinox because I do not intend, or have pretend, even tried to argue and get angry over trifles with other partners for something so stupid like this. Anyway if you have so much free time as to be here, you could help me with a simple project like the visual encyclopedia of equipment.--Klauser 14:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

The images from the preview are much higher quality, to the point that you can see how low quality the textures in Spiral Knights actually are. If you do take pictures with the previewer, it's better to do it in a way so that it looks natural, at the very least. ANd with that, the images look much better and you can see more of a lot of things, like weapons, with it and it would provide much clearer pictures for things like the Troika line. There is absolutely no harm in having better pictures. Oppressing anything that would result in higher quality, much like Three Rings' handling of the entire Suggestions subsection, would just hinder higher wiki quality, and that's just a nono. Just super saiyan. Magnus 18:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

While the picture is defiantly of superior quality and value, it violates the recent "In Game Images" rule. Therefore, no, it should not be up here, and should have never been uploaded. The creators of this game have a set way they want this game to be ran, and in no way do we have the right to violate that. So I kind of agree with Magnus, and I kind of don't. It is a nice image, but it just shouldn't be here. --Kazamh 20:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

1. I will not upload any photo more taken using the spiral spy.

2. It's actually really easy to make an image of the program resembles one obtained in the game (albeit with a higher quality)-> Look at the changes I have made on the original picture that I have uploaded of the model.

3. I think I know why they have designed this rule. Simply viewing the models you can see content even not implementing yet in the game and they want to avoid spoilers.

4. That rule really should be advised in all languages ​​or interfaces to avoid problems like this. If no one tells me anything I have no way of knowing that there is a rule like this.

5. Being precise, It could be designed a Java application with the functionalities of the Three Rings Model Viewer and upload the images obtained with it? That would not be using the Spiral Spy ... While certainly they also are not screenshots of the game .. XDD

6. I am still interested in knowing the opinion of Equinox himself, since I don't know if that rule on the images is permanent or just a provisonal measure. I don't know neither who is responsible for the administration of the wiki and to what extent if could be possible to dialogue with them about this. --Klaus7 23:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC+1)

As other editors have pointed out to you, SpyralSpy is not an approved image source for the wiki. In general, the editing community is aware of rules such as this; especially when backed up by references such as the official messages like on the English upload page. The rule about images is current. It may be revisited in the future at which time I would check with the wiki editing community on their opinions, but any arguments/debates over the topic at the present time are just theoretical (but you can feel free to talk about it in the forum thread from earlier at http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/28604). When/if the Vog Cub is put back into the game, I will know, so faking images using SpyralSpy will not be helpful. --Equinox 00:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Now I just want to clarify a few things. I was not trying to fake the image, just to prove how far they could get to be more natural and similar to the in-game ones without losing its quality (just to prove we can do a good job with some effort). I have read the forum and I completely agree with the decision of the administration (and stating that I was able to understand his reasoning before reading it, see my point 3 above, XDD) so I'd suggest an update to the image upload page so in all languages ​​contain the same warnings and rules specified, and also should be updated the page of standars uploading Screenshots and images. With this and waiting for the pending review of this rule, here I end this ordeal. Thanks everybody and sorry for my English, I think sometimes it makes me seem more harsh than I really am. -_- --Klauser 08:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

UzerPage deletion

yup, gonna need that page back >,< thank you! for your consideration!

A complaint

I was recently checking my vanity page and I found out on the the templates on my page was modified to something else. It's under my gear progress tab and it's kinda weird...Saying saints row every new row. --Vlad 17:38, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

It looks like someone vandalized Template:Star. I undid the offending revision so it should go back to normal. If it hasn't, try editing your page, that should force it to update. ~Katmint 17:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Apology On Guild Page

Please do not manipulate, or encourage others to manipulate, the wiki pageviews. I have reset your guild page to 0 views. Do not do it again. --Equinox 22:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for doing this. I originally thought that it would increase our guild popularity. However, I now realize that this is not the right way to gain guild fame. Thank-you for resetting the views and it will not happen again! --Dilinaw 18:07, 31 October 2011 (USE)

I have warned all guild members to discontinue manipulating wiki pageviews. Neither I nor guild members will ever manipulate the views of any wiki pages in the future. However, if another user tries to manipulate our guild page views please feel free to deal with them accordingly. This occurrence won't happen with me or any other guild member, but please make sure nobody else tries to do so. Thanks so much for the help! --Dilinaw 11:47, 27 November 2011 (USE)

Ok

Thanks for that the image comeing up now. -Eievu

Request to update image

Hi Equinox, I have uploaded a new logo for my guild. Can you updated it please? Link is below:

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:GuildLogo-Precious_Time.jpg

Request to move page "Fewz" to make it a "user" page

Hi Equinox; can you switch my personal page called Fewz to the section where it actually become a user page? I believe i've saved is as a regular page. Thank you in advance...

Page moving

Not sure what you're talking about, haven't done any editing for a while now. if you're talking about old stuffs I've refined my editing, so I move and create redirects. otherwise sorry.

wiki botched

whats going on with the wiki? the menu sidebar thing keeps getting pushed to the bottom of the page underneath any body content

Looks fine to me in various browsers. Are you still having this issue? --Equinox 19:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Still doing it, looks like its for firefox only though (checked in S, IE, and GC) --TheTric 00:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Drab -> Military

Is there any Wiki admin magic that can rename all the Drab stuff to Military, or does it need to be done manually? ~Katmint 04:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Sad to say, it has to be done manually! --Equinox 20:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Aw okay, just making sure before I do any of it. :P ~Katmint 21:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

>,< Sorry about that

I actually wasn't trying to edit the sk pages when that one happened. you will noticed that I did eventually edit them to allow color changes, but I was originally just looking at code for color referencing ^_^ I did noticed the error and went through and fix all the affected pages though >,< --TheTric 00:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Failure to update?

ive made a theme edit on my guilds page and its not showing up to those not logged in. not sure if this a procedural issue, but thought I should mention if pages aren't updating

It's just a wiki issue. It's been mentioned numerous times and is included in the list here: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8907 --Equinox 01:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Greetings!

Hello there! I noticed you are the only admin here, and that a lot of the pages are in disarray. (well, compared to what I'm used of)

(I also noticed that you're using a handle that is an alternate of one of mine :/ and someone has got the name "Xoniuqe" taken as well :/ Oh well, I don't own that term so I can't complain, however I would be furious if someone stole "HexZyle")

I hail from the Minecraft Wiki under the same name and after retiring from that site due to the excessive editing (2000 edits in the 6 months I was there) consuming all my spare time, I discovered that this site would benefit from some edits.

It has come to my attention that there is a lot of work that needs to be done about the statistics on this site, since unlike minecraft, and much to my dismay, we are not allowed to view the source code of the game, (decompiling is against the Terms of Service boohoo) getting a hold of numbers has to be a trial and error thing, not actual algorithms.

I happen to be extremely obsessed with statistics and compiling of data, and an example of my work can be seen on the minecraftwiki Experience page as well as some other projects. At the moment, I'm working on the UV probabilities, but soon I hope to start on the Status Condition infliction probabilities and damage tables.

I look forward to working on this wiki on the future. :)

--HexZyle 07:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Just one question. For my table of UV results I need a customised template (to allow for easy entry of field names - a wikitable requires you to know what column you are writing in. I've created the header, albeit a scrappy one, for the table, I just need your help making a field entry template. --HexZyle 08:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and another: Am I allowed to retrieve the model files from the Spiral Knights install location and run them in Blender in order to generate them in 3D on a plain background without clutter? Like this: Minecraft Blender Rendering of a cow from model files Or would that be against terms of service? If it is, are you allowed to do it? --HexZyle 21:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The wiki is meant to document the game, so images should be taken from the game to show what players see there. There is already a program that someone created using Blender or something, search for Spiral-Spy on the forums.

As for your data collection and compilation desires, you should post in the wiki section of the forum to see what others have figured out so far and to work collectively with the rest of the wiki editing community. There are a number of folks that have done various bits of testing. --Equinox 19:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I'll get around to looking that up as soon as I can :) --HexZyle 23:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

And what's the deal with that "Do not upload new images, or repeatedly revert them" thingy? Sounds like a cache problem...and that's old wiki news. That's a client side error, not a server side. --HexZyle 06:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not. There is a server issue with uploading new copies of already existing images, as the note says. --Equinox 03:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

That's certainly odd...Explains why there isn't any upload history on current images. Any idea what's causing it? --HexZyle 09:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I delete extraneous copies of images because generally people uploading multiple times just sit and hit revert numerous times. The wiki uses a content distribution system, so it's probably some sort of issue with that. You can see the list of known issues in the forum at http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8907. --Equinox 02:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The multiple revert issue was also a problem on the minecraftwiki...although I'm not sure if it was the same cause. The admins were always telling reverters to delete and reload their cache, so that they could see the updated image. I have yet to upload an image here.