Talk:Bombing Guide

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General

Now to get contributors, as i started this =D

Contributing. Also remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes. Steelfoot 03:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


To do: Complete bomb list/discussiony thingy. find some videos. diagrams? add more tactics. also, the categories at the bottom of the page need some changing from equipment and weapons =S i don't know how. Fallout 12:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

It's due to the use of the weapon infobox template which isn't what should be used. No worries, I'll fix it and have the TOC in there as well. (FYI: The signature button is at the top of this editing screen, you just press the squiggly one that is second to the last and it will pop in the signature stuff for you without you having to type in tildes.) --Equinox 15:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
haha, i get it now. And I'm unsure whether the alchemy paths thing should be right in the middle of the page. I think it should be more of a reference, and be down the bottom like it was previously? I'm not sure though. Otherwise an option might be to put the blast bomb, crystal etc into the spoiler tabs? Just makes it easier to read through. --Fallout 03:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
You could try putting the alchemy paths in show/hide templates. See Template:Showhide. But it really seems to me that information about bombs should go in the "bombs" section. --Equinox 13:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I put them into spoiler tabs, but kept them in the bomb section. I'll fiddle around with it. Thanks for the help Equinox. --Fallout 08:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


Style

I have to say, this guide has so much information! Also, the readability is getting better and better. Very nice job! The swordsmen and gunners are looking quite jealously at us bombers right now *g*. IMHO, the next task is (besides filling in the few gaps) to improve the text to a more objective style. This has been done at many places already, some are missing. I will see what I can do, but since English is not my mother tongue, feel free to correct my corrections :-) --CeCeeS 13:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

English is not my best subject xD, perhaps we hunt someone down who wants to sift through the walls of text we have and fix them? little difficult. with the gunner/swordie guides.... I laugh in their general direction, guess they just aren't dedicated enough.--Fallout 10:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Screenshots/Pictures

I still think there needs to be more colour in some places.... In particular, can anyone get a cool picture with Ash or Shiver? (My damages are messed up and don't always show >.<). The tactics section also needs a bit of life, perhaps a picture of blast network (in game or high scores wtvr) or is it possible to embed YouTube videos directly into the page? might make for an easier explanation when you can visualize while read.--Fallout 10:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Eh, i uploaded irontech des and heavy decon images....but they don't fit anywhere on the page =S also, the page is getting quite large, and takes a bit longer to load... xD anyways, can anyone work this: [ [File:Heavy-Deconstructor.png|thumb|330px|The Deconstructor's blast appears to be a gremlin symbol. Pretty neat. |right] ] into the page at least?--Fallout 11:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Introduction

I cleaned up the introduction part by moving the general tactics in a new subsection in the tactics section (formerly combinations). I think it looks much sleeker now. Opinions are welcome.--CeCeeS 13:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

hmm, I think it works, but now there needs to be more content so it looks full. Perhaps we could just add a brief idea of each of the 4 main bombing points (dot-point list? ... unsure). eh i'll look at guides from other games, and see what they have going. --Fallout 08:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I guess your short summary works.--CeCeeS 10:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Bombs

Can anyone please explain to why this section exists? In my opinion, it could simply be deleted. Of course, if you want to add more information, it might become a sensible section. --CeCeeS 13:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

All the bomb information was a subheader under the main "Bombs" header. I have no idea why people keep undoing that. --Equinox 02:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The page is still under construction, end its really only being edited when i feel like it. Basically the bomb section will be a list of all the final bomb options, with descriptions of each along with a basic strategy/why you shouldn't use it. --Fallout 08:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


Just Because I'm to lazy and poor to upgrade my vaporizers, AoA, VV and VT are left as they are.... anyone wanna fill them in? --Fallout 13:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I wrote something about the fire bombs. I neither have a poison nor a shock bomb, so someone else will have to describe these bomb lines.--CeCeeS 17:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


I like the pictures and the hazard signs. It lightens up and structures the wall of text quite nicely! However, how about changing "hazards" to "cons" and adding "pros"? Or maybe leave "hazards" as it is and add "benefits" or so? Are there small symbols for something like that?--CeCeeS 09:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Armor

I worked a bit on this part, feel free to give your opinion about it in any way. --CeCeeS 13:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

In the Mad bomber set description, the med + med (damage bonuses) adds up to very high which is correct AFAIK, but med + med + low adds up to maximum and not ultra? Cenyth 02:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
No the page is incorrect. You have it right; Med+Med+Low is Ultra, Med+Med+med is Maximum!Eek5 05:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I corrected the error.--CeCeeS 10:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

FAQ

Ok well, i got a list of stuff to answer which I'll put here. My attention span for this kinda thing is low, so I'll just be adding them over time. --Fallout 08:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


I'd like to insert a strategy here but I can't quite figure this editing out. It's where 2 Bombers can coordinate and use both Ashe & Shivermist bombs in the same area. The targets in the area will take More Damage as the fire ticks proc faster when the target burns/freeze/burns/freeze. Myrapod 06:09, 9 July 2011 (GMT)

It's quite easy to do actually. In your case, click on "edit" right of "Tactics", insert "=== Headline text ===" without the quotes and your section name in the middle at a suitable place and start writing :-)--CeCeeS 17:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


If the FAQ starts getting long, should it get some show/hide tabs e.g.

Sounds good.--CeCeeS 01:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

gear/bombs shopping list needed

I just started playing a few days ago and wonder if you could put up a "what to get next" list. So for example which bombs are best to upgrade to 3* and 4* first and why, when to buy the 3rd weapon slot etc. There's plenty of information in this wiki and the forums but from T2 to T3 is just such a time investment, i think it would be really useful to have a plan. :) (sorry for my newbish use of a wiki, never had to edit anything)

You are right, a progress or crafting order section would be useful. Maybe I will write something about it.--CeCeeS 21:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I wrote some general tips. I noticed I didn't answer some of your specific questions, though. This may very well depend on your playstyle and how you feel about it. Comments and improvements are welcome, of course.--CeCeeS 17:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Bomb Categories & Rating/Recommendations

I added some bomb categories under the bomb name and tried to organize it into sections. There are some overlaps but I just used the bomb's primary function to sort them. I did not include crowd control for Big Angry Bomb and Irontech even though they are "push" bombs because they aren't very usable as push bombs and I feel this would only lead to confusion for people trying to figure out what bombs to get. The three crowd control bombs are really Shivermist (freeze), Graviton (pull) and Nitronome (push). Outside of that things are really questionable.

People have also been asking for recommendations in the thread. I feel we talk about bad bombs a bit too much and it might be helpful to separate them out or just add a recommendation to each bomb. A rating is a bit too discrete and open to a little too much discussion so I think we should just group bombs into three categories: Highly Recommended, Recommended, and Not Recommended. Maybe we can sort the bombs out individually and compare lists and go from there. Again, this is subjective so I'm not sure we'll be able to reach a consensus so I didn't edit and tag on recommendations until we can discuss further. Eek5 14:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

ratings poll (5 being favorite, 1 being absolutely terrible)
http://www.polljunkie.com/eA7HB5/Poll12326.aspx
Results will be here.
http://www.polljunkie.com/sA8LAS/View12326.aspx
just need more people to take the poll =S --Fallout 12:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Alchemy Paths

Alchemy Paths are out of date, especially the Chemical bomb family and the vortex lines. Might be better to scrap the section and provide a link to the "list of alchemy paths" page #bombs.--SpiralMike 19:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I just cleaned it all up, and added a section for the Vortex-realated bombs. --Vermilionshadow Friday, August 19, 2011 at 1:16 PM

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