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==Duplicate Icon Issue== | ==Duplicate Icon Issue== | ||
This issue is very similar to the prestige visual inquiry above. There are several complications. [[:File:Trinket Icon.png]] seems to have been uploaded to serve some purpose in the mainspace (image tag and vendor list) - either because trinket icons were limited at the time, or due to a lapse in consistency. Either way, there was a hiccup in the past in conflict with the icon naming convention used by the majority of the wiki - [[:File:Icon-bomb.png|here's an example]], the [[Arsenal]] page has more. I have fixed the bad file's use in the mainspace to better reflect both reality (using an old trinket icon that's colored like the health trinkets to represent current trinkets that are not health trinkets = bad) and wiki consistency, with [[:File:Icon-trinket.png]]. The issue now is what to do with [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Trinket_Icon.png the colored file in use in the userspace]. We don't want duplicate files around (or files with too-similar names) causing problems around the wiki, no matter what space they're in. Again with the cancer. | This issue is very similar to the prestige visual inquiry above. There are several complications. [[:File:Trinket Icon.png]] seems to have been uploaded to serve some purpose in the mainspace (image tag and vendor list) - either because trinket icons were limited at the time, or due to a lapse in consistency. Either way, there was a hiccup in the past in conflict with the icon naming convention used by the majority of the wiki - [[:File:Icon-bomb.png|here's an example]], the [[Arsenal]] page has more. I have fixed the bad file's use in the mainspace to better reflect both reality (using an old trinket icon that's colored like the health trinkets to represent current trinkets that are not health trinkets = bad) and wiki consistency, with [[:File:Icon-trinket.png]]. The issue now is what to do with [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Trinket_Icon.png the colored file in use in the userspace]. We don't want duplicate files around (or files with too-similar names) causing problems around the wiki, no matter what space they're in. Again with the cancer. | ||
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::Establishing policy like this is something GMs will not directly intervene in, at all. There will be no official directive from us regarding user pages. We will only intervene if there is a dispute or if there are insurmountable issues. These ideas need to be discussed in the wiki editors forums and reach a consensus with other players. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ::Establishing policy like this is something GMs will not directly intervene in, at all. There will be no official directive from us regarding user pages. We will only intervene if there is a dispute or if there are insurmountable issues. These ideas need to be discussed in the wiki editors forums and reach a consensus with other players. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::Okay, I have [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/112452 made a discussion on the forums here] and established [[Sandbox/Userspace Protocol]], where we can modify the protocol before publishing. Thanks for the reply. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | :::Okay, I have [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/112452 made a discussion on the forums here] and established [[Sandbox/Userspace Protocol]], where we can modify the protocol before publishing. Thanks for the reply. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
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==Copyright== | ==Copyright== | ||
As per a previous discussion, we have made [[:Category:Miscellaneous images|a category for misc images]]. I have attempted to make [[Template:CopyRightSource]], but before we put any more work into it, we need to know if we're on the right track. If staff could find these legal-sensitive links (trademark vs. copyright etc. can be confusing to both experienced and new editors alike), it would be massively appreciated. The template is active on [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ACopyRightSource&namespace=6 these files]. Please adjust the template code to reflect the best wording/procedure/add more or take away sources. Thanks! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC) | As per a previous discussion, we have made [[:Category:Miscellaneous images|a category for misc images]]. I have attempted to make [[Template:CopyRightSource]], but before we put any more work into it, we need to know if we're on the right track. If staff could find these legal-sensitive links (trademark vs. copyright etc. can be confusing to both experienced and new editors alike), it would be massively appreciated. The template is active on [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ACopyRightSource&namespace=6 these files]. Please adjust the template code to reflect the best wording/procedure/add more or take away sources. Thanks! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
:There is no specific procedure to follow, it's all a matter of how they are being used by the players in their personal user pages. In my personal opinion as an editor (not a GM), this seems fine according to what we found regarding fair use. If it's creating a problem with editors and if they reach a consensus to remove the images to avoid potential problems, then that would be the way to go. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | :There is no specific procedure to follow, it's all a matter of how they are being used by the players in their personal user pages. In my personal opinion as an editor (not a GM), this seems fine according to what we found regarding fair use. If it's creating a problem with editors and if they reach a consensus to remove the images to avoid potential problems, then that would be the way to go. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
::Looks like we have to do some digging for those copyright phrases, then. Woopie. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ::Looks like we have to do some digging for those copyright phrases, then. Woopie. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and [[Operation Crimson Hammer]] (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has [[Billing]] information. My solution to this problem: | ||
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| + | Create the subpage: [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]] and protect that. | ||
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| + | Have <nowiki>{{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}}</nowiki> in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it). | ||
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| + | Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so? | ||
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| + | --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | : That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]], protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): ''OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.'' | ||
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| + | --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::: I'll discuss this with the billing department, but I don't foresee any changes in the near future. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::: Actually, what might work for the time being is a Sandbox/Operation Crimson Hammer where you guys make all the editions you want and I'll just copy/paste the contents into the protected page. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::I view this as a bandaid solution for reasons stated above (quite a hassle to do it this way if we continue to get more expansion missions). I/We'll work on that...soonish, most likely, but real life is very pressing for me these days. Let's hope billing can be flexible! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::: We have another idea that might work better. I'll post here as soon as it's fleshed out. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::::Sounds exciting. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | =="Fixing" User usage of mainspace files== | ||
| + | These files: There is still these icons of prestige badge: [[File:Prestigefinal-green.png]][[File:Prestige Rank 1 Red.png]][[File:45kPrestigeBadge.png]][[File:Prestigebadgeaquatwostripedot.png]][[File:Vermillion-badge-45k.png]] [[File:Prank vanguard.png]] (copypasted from previous post for separation of issues) | ||
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| + | I will usually politely fix file usage on individual user pages if they are using an image that has an out of date or poorly named filename, something I was uncomfortable doing because it was userspace until I talked with a few people and saw [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeaParty&diff=117924&oldid=104652 this edit by Equinox]. Hikaru and I decided it would be best to upload all of the [[prestige]] icons to consistent names, and Hikaru did the uploading. | ||
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| + | Do you think I should just go ahead and fix those other prestige visuals? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | :I will probably go ahead and just fix these, since it's not a huge issue, and we've [[:File:Cyan-badge-45k.png|already had someone go and upload their own because they changed their color]], and I am 99% sure while 100% guessing it's because they didn't know we had the nice high quality versions, and they would know if we had fixed the file for them. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Quoting Clotho from previous merged issue, now separated: ''The same applies to the prestige visuals, they are welcome to use them in that manner, but only in user space. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC)'' | ||
| + | ::So I am a bit confused now. Prestige icons are, well, I think anyway, official game images (seen in the upper left-hand corner of the HUD and next to user names), should we remove the list showing all possible color and rank configurations from the [[Prestige]] page (which is mainspace)? Or were you referring to only the above "cancerous" files? I refer to them as cancerous, due to the nature of malignant cancer and how duplicate files with different file names tend to propagate and confuse things on the wiki over time unless they are controlled. Since Hikaru and I made a uniform file system and provided the visuals, I view the usage of these prestige duplicates the same way as icons and other visuals around the wiki ([http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeaParty&diff=117924&oldid=104652 just gonna link to this edit by Equinox again]) and wish to rectify the issues. As I mentioned previously, users might want a blurry/different visual version for their own use, but I don't think that's appropriate for this wiki, again, considering Equinox's edit. But yeah, now I'm a bit confused but feel strongly we need to clean things! Just gonna stand here with a bucket of water, bottle of glass cleaner, and brandish my paper towels. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Now I'm totally confused. If the images are duplicate files then we need to remove the duplicate and correct the name in whatever pages the "bad" name linked to. If the image is an ''edition'' of an in-game file that it doesn't truly exist in game (i.e. a recolor) but it's only used in a user's page, then it's fine to leave alone. If none of that applies, please do clarify! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::Soooo....[[Recolor]]s don't exist in-game. Got it! But wait, what did we spend our money on!? Argh! :P (joking). Granted, these visuals are simply personal color variants of a tiny in-game visual, but they do technically exist in-game, for sure. Users might want to see the possibilities when creating a new knight, so I very much believe the versions advocated by me and uploaded by Hikaru need to stay on the [[prestige]] page, about as much as the visuals of, say, a [[Scale Helm]] do in that sortable list of recolors. If you leave this issue to editors, we would follow policy we (eventually) agree on below regarding editing the userspace. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:56, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::Erm, well, "above" now, not below, since the "Duplicate Icon Issue" inquiry was resolved from staff viewpoint. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Supply Pack Icons
A few of us are working on missions. Wow! How many years has it been since missions were introduced, and we still don't have pages for a lot of 'em! Well, better late than never.
Please move the following to the following:
- File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png to File:Crafting-Standard Supply Pack.png
- File:Equipment- Compact Supply Pack icon.png to File:Crafting-Compact Supply Pack.png
- File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png to File:Crafting-Deluxe Supply Pack.png
The should show up in the table on the Supply Pack page when that page is saved after the moves.
Reasons:
- General: Bad filenames. These items are not equipment. Also, there is an annoying space after the hyphen. Editors should be able to use the proper linking templates. Shame on my 2013 self. Shame.
- Every other mat has Crafting-blahblah for its name, even though not all materials are used in crafting, and even though they are icons they don't have icon in the name. Just goin with the old norm 'cause it's too much of a hassle to change these to be "right," especially when nobody sees the filename except editors and the ultra curious. Same ocd issue with BlahBlah-Equipped after tooltips were introduced. After moving the files, please delete the originals after all "what links here" are taken care of. I'll post here when that's done.
- We want to retain file history, because some people like old icons and time stamps - a discussion we've already agreed on :)
I'll probably ask something about OCH in a bit that involves billing on its own subpage and unprotecting the actual mission page. Thanks! --Novaster 20:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--Novaster 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
- Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:
- File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png
- File:Equipment- Compact Supply Pack icon.png
- File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png
- Deleted! --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
GuildInfo
A small request - did some template cleaning and organization. Can't edit the code of Template:GuildInfo. Please add Category:Infobox templates to its <noinclude> section. --Novaster 21:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
- Added! --Clotho 15:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry for bump in to this but i think there is (somehow) an error in the Template:GuildInfo, for some reason it add the link but not as category, maybe if add it like [[Category:blahblah]] and not like [[:Category:blahblah]] would work? --Hikaru 16:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Hey again Clotho! I just fix the spanish template of the GuildInfo and yes, without the ":" works. Also, when you fix that, could you add <noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude> at the top of the documentation in the GuildInfo please? thx! --Hikaru 23:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Added <noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude> to Template:GuildInfo/doc. Removed the : from [[Category:Infobox templates]] in Template:GuildInfo. --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Icon Tag
Hello there Clotho~ I found that some main icons are "locked", so i cant edit them. Would you please add this exact tag {{icon image|1-arsenal}} to the following icons please?
- File:Icon-helmet.png
- File:Icon-armor.png
- File:Icon-shield.png
- File:Icon-bomb.png
- File:Icon-handgun.png
- File:Icon-sword.png
- File:Icon-battle sprite.png
- File:Icon-trinket.png
And {{icon image|1-misc}} for these:
Thx alot~ --Hikaru 03:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
External Images
Hikaru and I both have a few questions (simply copypasted from my talk page, so you have some context):
In which category should i put this icons?
Seems like user can add them to their userpage or guild but didnt find a good cat to add them, icon image's tag should remain in-game related in my opinion. Can we create some kind of category that those who want to make an userpage/guild can check for icons? We can add the tag to the prestige icons too. I dunno tell me what u think.
- For this, I'd ask Clotho what would be best to do. In the past I just slapped the copyright tag on them due to a story I read about Facebook getting upset over misuse of their logo, but there are certain CC liberties we have. A category named "External images" perhaps? --Novaster 17:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Seems like that can be :) but what about Misc images? it would be a place images that are useful but not-related to game. Externals images sounds mostly like the same so any of those can be usefull ^^ --Hikaru 22:20, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Also, to dont make another section. There is still these icons of prestige badge: 
That are in use. I would remplace them as they have it, only with the new format and URL buuuuut dunno if that count as rude xD --Hikaru 09:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm going to slap the character image tag on the ones that are in use. User pages are free format. Unless they break ToS or are using an official icon in the mainspace (they often to for equipment and guild halls, and we've changed the names of those to be more fitting in the past and I've fixed them on user pages because they needed to be deleted), we leave their pages alone. For all you know, they could WANT a blurry version, for whatever artistic reason. Put the delete tag on them if they didn't serve a purpose in the past/won't in the foreseeable future and no pages link to them. --Novaster 17:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah i put the tags in the ones i saw that didnt link anywhere but others (show here) didnt know if add delete or just icon or etc :). --Hikaru 22:20, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
In short, what should we do about the external icons regarding category tags? --Novaster 20:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- I remember I used to just slap the copyright tag onto them, but we went through that process already, harhar. Would this be an issue to just leave in editor hands? We ask because it seems sensitive. --Novaster 20:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Generally speaking if someone is using an image in a private, personal, non-profit way it is considered fair use and it's ok to use (search "copyright & fair use for nonprofits" for more info). Copyright infringement exists if the image is used in a different manner. A "external icon" (or something along those lines) category seems sufficient in this case, along with a note in the summary specifying who owns the copyright. For example: "© [year] [company]. All rights reserved. [Insert Trademark] is a trademark of [company]". A quick online search can find specifics, for example.
- Please do note that these types of images should remain in user-spaces unless used in an official capacity. The same applies to the prestige visuals, they are welcome to use them in that manner, but only in user space. --Clotho 01:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, we will make a category for the misc/external images. Don't want duplicate files after all, which we run into quite a lot and have to clean up with delete tags and remove from usage. This should help users find images to use. --Novaster 14:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Those icons
Sorry to bother you again but these files need a better tag: {{official image}} sounds better by the fact those are blocked and only used in the main-support pages:
- File:Icon-Account Support.png
- File:Icon-Basic Training.png
- File:Icon-Billing Support.png
- File:Icon-Clockworks Handbook.png
- File:Icon-contact us button.png
- File:Icon-In-Game Support.png
- File:Icon-Technical Support.png
Thx and sorry for the bother --Hikaru 00:09, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Done! No bother at all :) --Clotho 00:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh but the Icon image's tag was keep. Was intentional? --Hikaru 01:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Whooops! Look what i just forgot u//u (same tag because is official post) --Hikaru 01:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, it is an icon after all, used in an official capacity. If it shouldn't be there for whatever reason, please let me know and I'll remove it. Done with the last one as well. --Clotho 23:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh well i dont mind :) it was just because those, being official, wouldnt be used for users. But dunno really that much about it. Its okay if they stay like that :P thx! --Hikaru 04:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, it is an icon after all, used in an official capacity. If it shouldn't be there for whatever reason, please let me know and I'll remove it. Done with the last one as well. --Clotho 23:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Done! No bother at all :) --Clotho 00:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Duplicate Icon Issue
This issue is very similar to the prestige visual inquiry above. There are several complications. File:Trinket Icon.png seems to have been uploaded to serve some purpose in the mainspace (image tag and vendor list) - either because trinket icons were limited at the time, or due to a lapse in consistency. Either way, there was a hiccup in the past in conflict with the icon naming convention used by the majority of the wiki - here's an example, the Arsenal page has more. I have fixed the bad file's use in the mainspace to better reflect both reality (using an old trinket icon that's colored like the health trinkets to represent current trinkets that are not health trinkets = bad) and wiki consistency, with File:Icon-trinket.png. The issue now is what to do with the colored file in use in the userspace. We don't want duplicate files around (or files with too-similar names) causing problems around the wiki, no matter what space they're in. Again with the cancer.
Normally I would just fix this (as of discussions with users, here's one, for a long time, I refused to do so because I have always viewed userspace as "pseudo-personal space"), but recently we've had a bit of upset. Which is sort of okay, it means people care. But it's also making our wiki messy and extremely difficult to take care of. All these things just so we can clean up some user use of images for the health of the wiki while also not disrupting their work for the sake of social taboo.
To make our editing job easier, it would be nice to have a direct official approach for the process. Equinox is an admin, we are not, so we may refer to their edits, but it feels uncomfortable (at least for me) to enforce the same process, even though it is necessary. It would be fantastic if we could establish a process for handling userspace use of mainspace content. We would publish the userspace policy in the style guide, so we may refer users to it for justification, and new editors trying to help. Here is my proposal, I'd like it to be reviewed and approved/adjusted/rejected by staff. So far I've just used wikipedia logic, but yeah, something official for our wiki would be helpful.
Pages in the Userspace of the Spiral Knights Wiki are considered to be free format within The Spiral Knights Terms of Service. It is generally unacceptable and extremely taboo to edit pages in the userspace that are not your own. A user's page is their own design, and each edit they make is of their volition and intentional.
There are several exceptions for editing the pages of other users. Editors may edit the pages of other users if:
1) The user page is clearly a spam bot. Simply replace all content with {{delete}}-spam.
2) Content of the user page interferes with the wiki as a whole, a.k.a the "wiki project." This includes:
- File usage - updating file names so old, out of date, or poorly named files that are used officially in the mainspace can be deleted. Deletion is necessary so the file is no longer a confusing and/or a low quality duplicate.
- If the user is using a template in a way that disrupts category organization or mainspace linking.
- If the user page is clearly a user page, but not in the userspace. Move content to the editor's user page and discuss the issue on their talk page. Place {{delete}}-user pages belong only in the userspace on the appropriate page.
3) The user has made a duplicate account and/or participated in Sock Puppetry. Resolve any conflicts by merging and moving content, placing delete tags where appropriate, and discussing the issue(s) on the user's talk page.
4) The user has given you or editors in general clear permission to help them with their page.
5) The page is a user's talk page. Talk pages are used to communicate with each other. Please do not remove content from talk pages (even your own) unless it is spam, a personal attack, not related to the wiki (casual chat), or the content is being archived. If content is removed, it can be viewed in the talk page history, as well as restored from there.
Before editing in relation to any of the above exceptions, make sure the user is not actively working on their page to avoid an edit conflict. A safe bet is to see if the user has not edited the page in the last 3 days. This is usually not an issue, as users come and go and pages are usually left alone for years and require maintenance for the above reasons as the game (and therefore the wiki) updates with significant changes.
It is best to avoid disrupting the "look" of the user's page, out of respect for the individual. Instead of deleting or removing the issue, update it as best you can with the most current terminology, mainspace file, etc., and/or make a User-Specific Template so the page appears to be unaffected. Switches can be added to certain templates to fix category issues. Sometimes conflict is too great, so removal of the issue is the only solution.
Before saving changes, remember to clearly and briefly summarize your edit clearly in the summary box. Always refer to the appropriate exception(s) in this policy - frequently this suffices as the edit summary, unless you wish to be ultra polite and specific.
General citation for the above rules:
Ownership of content - User pages are part of the wiki and are subject to changes that need to be made.
Wikipedia policy for talk page content management
Wikipedia's Policy for user pages, with specific emphasis on:
- Images that would bring the project into disrepute (section)
- MediaWiki's policy for editing the pages of others - specifically, "...a user cannot avoid administrator attention or appropriate project notices and communications by merely demanding their talk page is not posted to."
- Hikaru's opinion: I've read all and i agreed. I have just a few months editing (since August 2015) and find that annoying. I can understand the user's error because i did something like that the first days here (^//^U) but wouldnt be bad to edit the page if the file name of a file is wrong and/or was replaced. We could erase all those bad/duplicate icons/images that make the wiki messy as Novaster said. One thing is that they are in the deletion's category but another is that they (the files) are in the mainspace which gets annoying onces you see the file and said "this is old" and then realice it hasnt been tagged to deletion cuz is used in a guild/user page, i have seen this more in userpages than guilds. Anyway. I support Novaster's idea, with also the idea of creating a category where "random" icons, useful for userpages, can be used. I know this is a serious wiki but (i think) users want to be part of this with their own pages so it would be nice to allow them to do the pages they want with the "rules" Novaster's have just proposed. --Hikaru 20:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Establishing policy like this is something GMs will not directly intervene in, at all. There will be no official directive from us regarding user pages. We will only intervene if there is a dispute or if there are insurmountable issues. These ideas need to be discussed in the wiki editors forums and reach a consensus with other players. --Clotho 01:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, I have made a discussion on the forums here and established Sandbox/Userspace Protocol, where we can modify the protocol before publishing. Thanks for the reply. --Novaster 02:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Establishing policy like this is something GMs will not directly intervene in, at all. There will be no official directive from us regarding user pages. We will only intervene if there is a dispute or if there are insurmountable issues. These ideas need to be discussed in the wiki editors forums and reach a consensus with other players. --Clotho 01:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Copyright
As per a previous discussion, we have made a category for misc images. I have attempted to make Template:CopyRightSource, but before we put any more work into it, we need to know if we're on the right track. If staff could find these legal-sensitive links (trademark vs. copyright etc. can be confusing to both experienced and new editors alike), it would be massively appreciated. The template is active on these files. Please adjust the template code to reflect the best wording/procedure/add more or take away sources. Thanks! --Novaster 16:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- There is no specific procedure to follow, it's all a matter of how they are being used by the players in their personal user pages. In my personal opinion as an editor (not a GM), this seems fine according to what we found regarding fair use. If it's creating a problem with editors and if they reach a consensus to remove the images to avoid potential problems, then that would be the way to go. --Clotho 01:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Looks like we have to do some digging for those copyright phrases, then. Woopie. --Novaster 02:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Operation Crimson Hammer
Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:
Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.
Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).
Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?
Thanks,
--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.
--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'll discuss this with the billing department, but I don't foresee any changes in the near future. Sorry! --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, what might work for the time being is a Sandbox/Operation Crimson Hammer where you guys make all the editions you want and I'll just copy/paste the contents into the protected page. --Clotho 20:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- I view this as a bandaid solution for reasons stated above (quite a hassle to do it this way if we continue to get more expansion missions). I/We'll work on that...soonish, most likely, but real life is very pressing for me these days. Let's hope billing can be flexible! --Novaster 20:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
"Fixing" User usage of mainspace files
These files: There is still these icons of prestige badge: (copypasted from previous post for separation of issues)
I will usually politely fix file usage on individual user pages if they are using an image that has an out of date or poorly named filename, something I was uncomfortable doing because it was userspace until I talked with a few people and saw this edit by Equinox. Hikaru and I decided it would be best to upload all of the prestige icons to consistent names, and Hikaru did the uploading.
Do you think I should just go ahead and fix those other prestige visuals? --Novaster 20:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- I will probably go ahead and just fix these, since it's not a huge issue, and we've already had someone go and upload their own because they changed their color, and I am 99% sure while 100% guessing it's because they didn't know we had the nice high quality versions, and they would know if we had fixed the file for them. --Novaster 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Quoting Clotho from previous merged issue, now separated: The same applies to the prestige visuals, they are welcome to use them in that manner, but only in user space. --Clotho 01:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- So I am a bit confused now. Prestige icons are, well, I think anyway, official game images (seen in the upper left-hand corner of the HUD and next to user names), should we remove the list showing all possible color and rank configurations from the Prestige page (which is mainspace)? Or were you referring to only the above "cancerous" files? I refer to them as cancerous, due to the nature of malignant cancer and how duplicate files with different file names tend to propagate and confuse things on the wiki over time unless they are controlled. Since Hikaru and I made a uniform file system and provided the visuals, I view the usage of these prestige duplicates the same way as icons and other visuals around the wiki (just gonna link to this edit by Equinox again) and wish to rectify the issues. As I mentioned previously, users might want a blurry/different visual version for their own use, but I don't think that's appropriate for this wiki, again, considering Equinox's edit. But yeah, now I'm a bit confused but feel strongly we need to clean things! Just gonna stand here with a bucket of water, bottle of glass cleaner, and brandish my paper towels. --Novaster 14:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Now I'm totally confused. If the images are duplicate files then we need to remove the duplicate and correct the name in whatever pages the "bad" name linked to. If the image is an edition of an in-game file that it doesn't truly exist in game (i.e. a recolor) but it's only used in a user's page, then it's fine to leave alone. If none of that applies, please do clarify! --Clotho 01:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Soooo....Recolors don't exist in-game. Got it! But wait, what did we spend our money on!? Argh! :P (joking). Granted, these visuals are simply personal color variants of a tiny in-game visual, but they do technically exist in-game, for sure. Users might want to see the possibilities when creating a new knight, so I very much believe the versions advocated by me and uploaded by Hikaru need to stay on the prestige page, about as much as the visuals of, say, a Scale Helm do in that sortable list of recolors. If you leave this issue to editors, we would follow policy we (eventually) agree on below regarding editing the userspace. --Novaster 01:56, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Erm, well, "above" now, not below, since the "Duplicate Icon Issue" inquiry was resolved from staff viewpoint. --Novaster 02:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Now I'm totally confused. If the images are duplicate files then we need to remove the duplicate and correct the name in whatever pages the "bad" name linked to. If the image is an edition of an in-game file that it doesn't truly exist in game (i.e. a recolor) but it's only used in a user's page, then it's fine to leave alone. If none of that applies, please do clarify! --Clotho 01:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- So I am a bit confused now. Prestige icons are, well, I think anyway, official game images (seen in the upper left-hand corner of the HUD and next to user names), should we remove the list showing all possible color and rank configurations from the Prestige page (which is mainspace)? Or were you referring to only the above "cancerous" files? I refer to them as cancerous, due to the nature of malignant cancer and how duplicate files with different file names tend to propagate and confuse things on the wiki over time unless they are controlled. Since Hikaru and I made a uniform file system and provided the visuals, I view the usage of these prestige duplicates the same way as icons and other visuals around the wiki (just gonna link to this edit by Equinox again) and wish to rectify the issues. As I mentioned previously, users might want a blurry/different visual version for their own use, but I don't think that's appropriate for this wiki, again, considering Equinox's edit. But yeah, now I'm a bit confused but feel strongly we need to clean things! Just gonna stand here with a bucket of water, bottle of glass cleaner, and brandish my paper towels. --Novaster 14:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
