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:: I don't see an issue with adding that new tag. Has anyone mentioned a con to this proposal? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 
:: I don't see an issue with adding that new tag. Has anyone mentioned a con to this proposal? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 
:::Hikaru would have to make changes regarding [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/es/Categor%C3%ADa:Redirecciones_desde_atajos some work they did using the "shortcut" tag in the spanish wiki]. If it is unacceptable to adjust the "shortcut" tag's function to include all "misc shortcuts" (which I think is the best option because I am not particularly fond of nitty gritty nitpicky exclusive mostly useless functions, no matter how "technically correct" they are, but that's just me), then we will make the new tag - since you don't see an issue - and adjust. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 
:::Hikaru would have to make changes regarding [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/es/Categor%C3%ADa:Redirecciones_desde_atajos some work they did using the "shortcut" tag in the spanish wiki]. If it is unacceptable to adjust the "shortcut" tag's function to include all "misc shortcuts" (which I think is the best option because I am not particularly fond of nitty gritty nitpicky exclusive mostly useless functions, no matter how "technically correct" they are, but that's just me), then we will make the new tag - since you don't see an issue - and adjust. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
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We are thinking about revamping the [[Spiralknights:Style guide]] to be super duper, and so that anyone who wants to take up the volunteer work in the future when we're gone can easily educate themselves. At the moment the guide suffices, but Hikaru and I want to make it better because it is a little overwhelming to look at the way it is. And somewhat disorganized.
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Before we do, I'd like to know that the technical difference is between these namespaces. I ask because we'd be splitting the style guide into pages within the space, but some things seem to be a bit hazy:
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*[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=A&to=a&namespace=4 Spiralknights]
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*[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=A&to=a&namespace=12 Help]
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Do we make the new pages within the Spiralknights space, because the style guide is organized as such? But looking at other pages in these namespaces, it's pretty confusing.
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I would think "Help" would be anything to do with editing/things that are within the power of the users, and the style guide page should be redirected to the helpspace. Spiralknights space should concern issues that can only be cleared up by staff/support. That's my opinion, based on what Wikipedia does with their helpspace. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Whitespace For example].
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What should be done about this? Is there something technical somewhere that explains this for our wiki that I'm missing?
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Thanks,
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Operation Crimson Hammer

Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:

Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.

Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).

Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?

Thanks,

--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.

--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll discuss this with the billing department, but I don't foresee any changes in the near future. Sorry! --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Actually, what might work for the time being is a Sandbox/Operation Crimson Hammer where you guys make all the editions you want and I'll just copy/paste the contents into the protected page. --Clotho 20:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I view this as a bandaid solution for reasons stated above (quite a hassle to do it this way if we continue to get more expansion missions). I/We'll work on that...soonish, most likely, but real life is very pressing for me these days. Let's hope billing can be flexible! --Novaster 20:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
We have another idea that might work better. I'll post here as soon as it's fleshed out. --Clotho 20:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Sounds exciting. --Novaster 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

A New Redirect Tag

There are a few words-pages such as "Electric" that we've redirected for convenience to "go" to color categories (users can always "search" for specifics instead of "go"). We'd like to make a redirect tag for these pages, but none of our current ones really fit - "R from alternate name" and "R from related word" come close but not quite. Would it be appropriate to make the equivalent of this for our wiki, and to add it to SpiralKnights:Redirect? Or is there something better? It's a somewhat sensitive issue because these breach namespaces (main and category). --Novaster 01:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

There is some desire to just adjust the rules for Category:Redirects from shortcut, which we already have, which is what brought this up. --Novaster 05:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't see an issue with adding that new tag. Has anyone mentioned a con to this proposal? --Clotho 16:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Hikaru would have to make changes regarding some work they did using the "shortcut" tag in the spanish wiki. If it is unacceptable to adjust the "shortcut" tag's function to include all "misc shortcuts" (which I think is the best option because I am not particularly fond of nitty gritty nitpicky exclusive mostly useless functions, no matter how "technically correct" they are, but that's just me), then we will make the new tag - since you don't see an issue - and adjust. --Novaster 17:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Wiki namespaces

We are thinking about revamping the Spiralknights:Style guide to be super duper, and so that anyone who wants to take up the volunteer work in the future when we're gone can easily educate themselves. At the moment the guide suffices, but Hikaru and I want to make it better because it is a little overwhelming to look at the way it is. And somewhat disorganized.

Before we do, I'd like to know that the technical difference is between these namespaces. I ask because we'd be splitting the style guide into pages within the space, but some things seem to be a bit hazy:

Do we make the new pages within the Spiralknights space, because the style guide is organized as such? But looking at other pages in these namespaces, it's pretty confusing.

I would think "Help" would be anything to do with editing/things that are within the power of the users, and the style guide page should be redirected to the helpspace. Spiralknights space should concern issues that can only be cleared up by staff/support. That's my opinion, based on what Wikipedia does with their helpspace. For example.

What should be done about this? Is there something technical somewhere that explains this for our wiki that I'm missing?

Thanks, --Novaster 21:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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