Difference between revisions of "User talk:Clotho"

From SpiralKnights

Jump to: navigation, search
m (→‎More Issues: moar)
m (→‎More Issues: moar)
Line 115: Line 115:
  
 
Working through a very, very nasty knot of namespace issues. As expected, it is tedious. I've run into several issues/suggestions that I cannot edit due to page protections:
 
Working through a very, very nasty knot of namespace issues. As expected, it is tedious. I've run into several issues/suggestions that I cannot edit due to page protections:
−
{{showhide|Controls|content=
+
{{showhide|[[Controls]]|content=
 
[[Controls]] should have a link to [[Gamepad]] under the Gamepad section. Here's what I'd do, if the page weren't protected (some format tweaks too, to make it look better):
 
[[Controls]] should have a link to [[Gamepad]] under the Gamepad section. Here's what I'd do, if the page weren't protected (some format tweaks too, to make it look better):
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
Line 131: Line 131:
 
And blah blah. You'll want to remove the obviously redundant See Also section, with its link to "Gamepads".
 
And blah blah. You'll want to remove the obviously redundant See Also section, with its link to "Gamepads".
 
}}
 
}}
−
{{showhide|ToS|content=
+
{{showhide|[[Terms of Service|ToS]]|content=
 
[[Terms of Service]] should have a link to the official [http://www.spiralknights.com/tos.xhtml Terms of Service], shouldn't it? Somewhere near the top, I imagine.  
 
[[Terms of Service]] should have a link to the official [http://www.spiralknights.com/tos.xhtml Terms of Service], shouldn't it? Somewhere near the top, I imagine.  
 
}}
 
}}
 
{{showhide|Navigation Panel|content=
 
{{showhide|Navigation Panel|content=
 
The "Style guide" link in the navigation panel under the search bar - it would be nice if it linked directly to [[Help:Style guide]] instead of through the redirect we agreed to make. There's plenty of links I won't bother fixing because it's not worth anyone's time, but I strongly feel that this change would be worth it, if such a thing is within your power to change.
 
The "Style guide" link in the navigation panel under the search bar - it would be nice if it linked directly to [[Help:Style guide]] instead of through the redirect we agreed to make. There's plenty of links I won't bother fixing because it's not worth anyone's time, but I strongly feel that this change would be worth it, if such a thing is within your power to change.
 +
}}
 +
{{showhide|[[Mediawiki:Uploadtext]]|content=
 +
On the same note as the Style guide link in the nav box, fixing the links to be direct in our wiki's upload text box would be amazing. But, myself and a few other editors were wondering if we could totally redesign the upload text notification, because users extremely consistently miss the warning and re-upload images over and over. The "looking into the issue" bit is also years old and I'm 99% certain it's no longer actually being looked into, it's just what the wiki does. We'd likely make the warning obnoxiously huge (similar to the giant box on [[:File:Image Wanted.png|this image]]) and explain how users have to wait through the cache's sluggish update behavior, instead of displaying this empty promise.
 +
 +
If not, here's a copypaste of an updated form:
 +
*Fixed internal links to be direct
 +
*Fixed wikipedia links to be more obviously external (aids in user navigation, while it's possible to link directly to wikipedia, users don't seem to like being directed out of the SK wiki via links that appear to be internal, and phone users don't really have the option to view tooltips via mousehover, which reveals a link's destination)
 +
*Fixed wikipedia image source link to be up to date and actually link somewhere.
 +
*Removed cluttery list of most used image tags to encourage users to navigate to the actual image tags page, reducing lazy guesswork.
 +
 +
{{showhide|Source fixes - the pre makes it extend quite a ways to the right|content=
 +
<pre>
 +
Use the form below to upload files.
 +
To view or search previously uploaded files go to the [[Special:FileList|list of uploaded files]], (re)uploads are also logged in the [[Special:Log/upload|upload log]], deletions in the [[Special:Log/delete|deletion log]].
 +
 +
<div style="border: 1px solid grey; background: #ddf; padding: 10px 30px; margin: 0 auto;"> <big>'''Note''': If you are uploading your file for a specific use on our wiki, you should refer to the [[Help:Style guide|style guide]] and provide detailed information on:</big>
 +
#The source of the file if it is not from in-game:
 +
#*If you made it yourself, say so.
 +
#*If the file is available online, include a information via [[Template:Copyrightsource]].
 +
#:Note that most images on the internet are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright copyrighted]. However, some images available online are in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain public domain]. Always check the site's copyright policy first.
 +
#Add an appropriate '''[[Help:Image tags|image tag]]''' to the summary box.
 +
#Images found on websites or on an image search engine should '''not''' be uploaded to the Spiral Knights Wiki. (For exceptions, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Fair use] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain_image_resources Free image resources]).</div>
 +
<div align=center border=0 cellpadding=6 cellspacing=2 style="border: 3px solid red; background-color: #FFE4E1; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em; padding:3px; font-size: larger;"><big>There are currently issues with uploading new versions of images already on the wiki.</big><br /><small>(Do '''NOT''' reupload or revert it several times as it will not help).</small></div>
 +
<div align=center border=0 cellpadding=6 cellspacing=2 style="border: 3px solid blue; background-color: #ddf; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em; padding:3px; font-size: larger;"><big>Wiki images illustrating articles need to be in-game images.</big><br /><small>(Do '''NOT''' upload Spyral-Spy images as they will be deleted).</small></div>
 +
</pre>
 +
}}
 
}}
 
}}
 
I'm sure I will run into more issues as time ticks mercilessly by with this project. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 
I'm sure I will run into more issues as time ticks mercilessly by with this project. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:16, 29 February 2016

Archived discussions can be found here. If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the Suggestions Forum instead. If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the Support Portal to get help.

Operation Crimson Hammer

Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:

Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.

Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).

Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?

Thanks,

--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.

--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll discuss this with the billing department, but I don't foresee any changes in the near future. Sorry! --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Actually, what might work for the time being is a Sandbox/Operation Crimson Hammer where you guys make all the editions you want and I'll just copy/paste the contents into the protected page. --Clotho 20:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I view this as a bandaid solution for reasons stated above (quite a hassle to do it this way if we continue to get more expansion missions). I/We'll work on that...soonish, most likely, but real life is very pressing for me these days. Let's hope billing can be flexible! --Novaster 20:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
We have another idea that might work better. I'll post here as soon as it's fleshed out. --Clotho 20:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Sounds exciting. --Novaster 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Any news about this? And btw (in response to a support request), we are totally already putting soundtrack information on location pages. Super happy staff is on board with this idea. --Novaster 23:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
No news I'm afraid. I've been sent to different projects so this one had to go to the back burner. I'll holler when/if that changes. --Clotho 21:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

New Redirect Tags

There are a few words-pages such as "Electric" that we've redirected for convenience to "go" to color categories (users can always "search" for specifics instead of "go"). We'd like to make a redirect tag for these pages, but none of our current ones really fit - "R from alternate name" and "R from related word" come close but not quite. Would it be appropriate to make the equivalent of this for our wiki, and to add it to SpiralKnights:Redirect? Or is there something better? It's a somewhat sensitive issue because these breach namespaces (main and category). --Novaster 01:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

There is some desire to just adjust the rules for Category:Redirects from shortcut, which we already have, which is what brought this up. --Novaster 05:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't see an issue with adding that new tag. Has anyone mentioned a con to this proposal? --Clotho 16:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Hikaru would have to make changes regarding some work they did using the "shortcut" tag in the spanish wiki. If it is unacceptable to adjust the "shortcut" tag's function to include all "misc shortcuts" (which I think is the best option because I am not particularly fond of nitty gritty nitpicky exclusive mostly useless functions, no matter how "technically correct" they are, but that's just me), then we will make the new tag - since you don't see an issue - and adjust. --Novaster 17:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

We are also trying to avoid uploading duplicate files that are large, especially for news images. Users appreciate easy access to the "big" art, editors like to punch in numbers because each thing is its own entity with its own name despite having the same visual, and duplicate files are bad (accessory icons are particularly annoying to me). I'd like to make a specific redirect for these: "R to circumvent file duplication" or something you think would be better. --Novaster 23:37, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

More Issues

Working through a very, very nasty knot of namespace issues. As expected, it is tedious. I've run into several issues/suggestions that I cannot edit due to page protections:

I'm sure I will run into more issues as time ticks mercilessly by with this project. --Novaster 04:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Clotho&oldid=236452"
Personal tools