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== Hey! About Official Image ==
I was Equinox but he seems AFK, Novaster suggest me to ask here. I want to know about the official image's meaning. I want to upload [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Torto_Feb2014.png this] to the spanish wiki as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png". It is allowed?.
* Yes, this is allowed. You may upload any image found in game, our official sites, including the wiki to the ES wiki. Please do remember to use tags! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Also, to make the same question here, should i re-upload the image as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png" here in the english wiki too?. I know you are busy so take ur time, i still have a lot to do in the spanish wiki and this can wait xD. Bye~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
* Not necessary if the image already exists. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thx will do now so i wont forget it :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 16:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
== Artifacts, Spiral Spy inquiry ==
== Artifacts, Spiral Spy inquiry ==
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Revision as of 20:47, 6 October 2015

Hey! About Official Image

I was Equinox but he seems AFK, Novaster suggest me to ask here. I want to know about the official image's meaning. I want to upload this to the spanish wiki as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png". It is allowed?.

  • Yes, this is allowed. You may upload any image found in game, our official sites, including the wiki to the ES wiki. Please do remember to use tags! --Clotho 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, to make the same question here, should i re-upload the image as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png" here in the english wiki too?. I know you are busy so take ur time, i still have a lot to do in the spanish wiki and this can wait xD. Bye~ --Hikaru 23:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Not necessary if the image already exists. --Clotho 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Thx will do now so i wont forget it :) --Hikaru 16:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Artifacts, Spiral Spy inquiry

Naming of an area

Snarby Sprite Image Cache

Speedy Deletion: Sprite Images

Out of Date GM Images

Improving the Showhide template

Supply Pack Icons

I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--Novaster 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:

Operation Crimson Hammer

Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:

Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.

Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).

Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?


--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.

--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


We have been pushing improvements regarding mission page format and organization on the wiki. I notice that there are several admin-related entities on the mission page. Before we go through reformatting and merging, are there any specific things editors shouldn't remove, or that staff wishes to emphasize, on the missions page? Of specific concern to me (due to our previous discussion about this image) are subsection linking and images in relation to the forums. --Novaster 18:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead and work as you would, just be careful that important historical information gets a note, perhaps a "historical notes" section at the bottom. --Clotho 23:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Roger that. Right now the only other issues I can think of that are most important and requiring staff attention are the above Supply Pack Icons and OCH. --Novaster 00:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Phew...okay. Let us know if we missed anything important, or didn't explain something in the way the developers want it to be understood. --Novaster 19:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Can you please elaborate on what exactly is needed for the Supply Pack Icons and OCH? (I got lost somewhere!) --Clotho 19:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Details should be in each subsection of this talk page and signed with a timestamp. Would it be better to put resolved issues in a show/hide? I remember trying to organize my pile of requests here before and it wasn't the best idea :P. Icons are resolved, they just need deletion, OCH is a major issue that many of us are worried about and feel that a subpage (a page able to be protected in full in its own right) would rectify. --Novaster 00:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, using a show/hide for resolved issues is a good idea. --Clotho 19:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Alrighty! Did that. Unresolved issues remain exposed. Regarding this particular issue, "missions": Let us know if we missed anything important on the main Mission page, or didn't explain something in the way the developers want it to be understood. --Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Gear Halo Stuff

My friend figured out a nice way to get images of the other gear halos, but we asked support about it and they said we shouldn't do it this way and they're sowwie. Could you take care of the ones I tagged? The regal, volcanic, and toasty were captured in-game, with regal/toasty from AH and volc from a user's trade window. So those can stay. :( -Novaster 17:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Replied here --Clotho 18:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, just delete, since support said "you'll want to remove." -Novaster 20:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Sooo. Can we just leave those alone and put the method aside as a general "well it's great but it's sort of got the flavor of being a vigilante so don't do it," and just upload new files in the future if they ever turn out to be wrong? If so I'll just remove the "delete" tags and add notes to the files. -Novaster 22:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeeeeeah just gonna remove the tag or let it stay based on what we find in-game. If the coloration is wrong, we'll just upload the new one. If it's right, we'll restore the proper tag. Is this okay? -Novaster 21:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. --Clotho 04:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
This is working. The gear halos are all consistently matching up (what we've found so far). I think maybe I didn't explain the process very well to support when I asked about it. It doesn't involve external programs. Granted the process we use should not be broadcasted/well-known for economic reasons (and it doesn't really work for extra special things), but editors... What is your opinion? Can we start seriously doing things this way? As long as we find some representative in the item in the game first (a lot of the problem we have is getting to the item fast enough before people equip it so we can get the tooltip, once an accessory is equipped we lose access to the tooltip and have to find a different unattached one, for rare accessories this is particularly irritating), compare it to the file we produce, and if they match up, publish it on the wiki? I'd like to try one more time to get official permission to do this, since it's working. I understand if no. -Novaster 20:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
That has already been reviewed by a supervisor. If you like to discuss this further it needs to be escalated again via request. That said, we should only use screenshots taken directly from the game. --Clotho 21:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
It's sort of tricky cause it is technically an in-game screenshot. I'll let my buddy talk to support though, I don't like bugging ppl too much. Thanks for reading! -Novaster 22:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

vandalism attempt

I saw a vandalism attempt done by GFJhead, should i warn him or not? Because vandalism is really bad to all wiki's -1462 11:21, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeeeaaaah how about i just warn him? -1462 11:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Since its vandalism i will just warn him -1462 11:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

What that user did was on a guild page and a personal matter regarding membership lists, and this does not warrant a serious warning about wiki editing at all. I have cleared out this "warning", as the user's edits generally do not need a warning of such gravity phrased like the official thing used by staff, and we do not want to discourage editors - things like this are scary, serious, and one was only used on 1462's page when it was necessary. --Novaster 12:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I have added a useful link and tips to user 1462's talk page here. -Novaster 12:44, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Replied to in your talk page. --Clotho 23:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Haha, now i realize to check before warning a user -1462

More vandalism.... done by user:184957 if i remember its name corectly -1462 00:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Clotho, sorry for evading the block, but it had to be done so i can update my user page, im only using it to be updating my user page and reply to my comments, so i would love this account to not be blocked, or if you unblock 1462 (my original account) and keep the other accounts blocked that could work, because i would never do anything bad on 1462, if you unblock me i promise i will never do anything bad again -Angelbringer 11:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Stats Images

Would it be a good idea to have the change comment be "change: aesthetic "UI" changes from some time ago," or something similar, since we can't remember the exact release? -Novaster 23:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Yis. I am going with "change: Stat bars became more defined as of a User Interface update some time ago." --Novaster 23:14, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Woops, I uploaded an image you did already - but hey, the corners are curved now. Now we wait for the wiki to get over itself and show the right stuff! --Novaster 01:56, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Yours looks a lot better! --Clotho 18:56, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

More recent request

Would it be okay for us editors to carefully attempt to make high quality versions of these as accurately as possible, since they seem to be unavailable officially? -Novaster 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I think we should start a discussion in the forums and see what the community says. --Clotho 01:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

New Sprite Gallery

Ah those galleries are a mess. I've put templated galleries on all the talk pages of sprites. -Novaster 21:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

They were just waiting there for files to be moved :3 -Novaster 21:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
And we're deciding what to do about overworld group pics, so they're not currently in the "gallery template." -Novaster 21:18, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Only a few more files to go, should be done in a few minutes! --Clotho 21:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Done! --Clotho 01:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Images down the road

Should we make a tag that says "this image is fine don't worry about copyright, confirmed by Wiki Admin" for future editors, so you or other GMs down the road don't have to go through them again in case overly concerned editors tag them again because they weren't paying attention to edit history? -Novaster 01:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Definitely not - there is a very limited way in which some copyrighted images may be used in wikis. The copyvio template should only be used when the source is found and the image is in fact a copyright violation under the terms of their license. There's a lot of information about the limited uses for non-free content here. As a rule of thumb we don't edit user pages (except our own) unless there's a blatant infringement of our terms or copyright laws. --Clotho 01:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Good to know. Just trying to reduce repeated workloads. Due to the IRS constantly on my back for an issue (on THEIR end) already years in the past, I'm very paranoid about legal issues :P -Novaster 01:16, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree that we should be mindful about using copyrighted work! (I also just realized I didn't add the source for the images but at least we have most in the history). Because these are user pages, in some cases the use of images falls under fair use. It's not a blanket permission, however. --Clotho 01:25, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Moved Images

I neglected to tag this one: File:BattleSprite Drakon Gun Pup ultimates 1.png. Please move to "File:Battle Sprite-Drakon (Gun Pup) T3 A preview.png" I plan on uploading new versions of these sometime in the far future - they will look like the ones on the Maskeraith (Spiralhorn) page, full inspect window views so the size of the adorable things can be compared easily. But that's way down the road and such, for now, we need easy galleries to use for future sprites and images to show up, so these moves were much needed and appreciated. Thanks again! -Novaster 01:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Moved! The images look great, just be careful not to take on too many jobs :) --Clotho 01:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that means a lot :) -Novaster 02:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Extremely Speedy Deletion

I was fooling around in a sandbox page I made here, but for some reason it doesn't register as a subpage. I'm done with it, could you delete this ASAP so it stops messing around with casual wiki searches? Thanks, --Novaster 14:22, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Done! --Clotho 16:50, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

List of Missions

Your Feb 8, 2015 edit on the List of missions page (adding back in a "needs updating" template for "mission rewards") conflicts with the July 8, 2014 edit I made on the page (updated all rank mission rewards and removed the "needs updating" template). --SkepticRaven 04:14, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Replied here --Clotho 17:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Exploration: Scenario Room Images

Just to let you know, we might be reorganizing how we name area images - a few of us are slowly working on a map+visual example project. You can see the bulk WiP in my sandbox and a live example on the MotT page. This is just a heads up about it - would it be better for us editors to download and reupload the files to the new names and delete the old ones (I don't like that, recall our battle sprite gallery project), or do that and not delete them, or have you move them? That is, if we decide we need to rename them - we probably will. We'd just like to know what would be best regarding the files, wiki history data, and your work time. -Novaster 22:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

CaKe sLiCe

Can we move the File:Token-Cake slice.png to File:Token-Cake Slice.png? The capital letter issues make things difficult and I'd like to retain file history. I checked over other token files, no other issues regarding capital letters. Thanks! -Novaster 08:06, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Something booched during the move and gave me internal errors. Tried to fix as best as possible. --Clotho 03:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

This works, thank you! (no need to feel bad, I know you were just trying to help!) I've moved it to archived so this can be less confusing :) --Clotho 23:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Should I discontinue use of this template I made - it seems related but, it's not GM stuff. (Live example here). I made it because stuff like this seems to happen a lot so I thought it might be a good idea but now I'm not so sure -Novaster 14:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
That's entirely up to the wiki editors. --Clotho 16:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Icon Fixes

Went through and "fixed" rarity icons. All that's left is outdated filenames on the Supply Depot page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on Rarity page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to Supply Depot Sale stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.

Just got fed up with a switch system, but I realize this sort of "reuploading things to better names" activity isn't ideal. There's a lot of inconsistencies on the wiki when it comes to this sort of thing (materials, perks, etc), and well, I've decided that it's not worth anybody's time (certainly not mine) to "fix" this sort of issue by reuploading files to better names, when you can just make an ugly (but functional) switch. There's more reasons than time though:

1) the game could give multiple functions to a single entity, as with "buff" effects (pickup items as well as triggered by monsters on each other or battle sprites on knights is just one example) - I just fixed duplicate file issues regarding these today
2) the game could change the arsenal classification of an item to be another arsenal classification, potentially rendering filenames inaccurate, and a hassle to "fix" if there's hundreds of them. But nobody really sees filenames except editors, so inaccurate filenames of this specific kind don't matter as long as published page content is clear, right?
3) we are at risk of losing easy access to archive data using the "reupload to a better filename to fix" method. I've often used the date an original icon was uploaded to make sense of the order of events. For example, I used the file history of the accessory icons for several of the older Round Shade accessory items to try and discern the relative date Round Shades were first released (not everything has release notes or admin posts), and a few others.

In the future, I'll be sure to just deal with a messy switch that only editors who have to muck around with code have to see. I'll "fix" odds and ends that I see though, like if someone just uploads a file to ads;jkflhasdfjkh.jpg or something like that :)

should I put the above reasons in a sort of "how to wiki" guide (a few of us are planning on revamping the style guide page to be more up to date), if you think they're prudent/correct?

-Novaster 14:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed the icons. I'm not sure why you have to reupload them when it's so much easier to move the images to a better name. Just provide me with a specific list and the proposed names and I'll move them. --Clotho 16:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
because we're not allowed to move images.. it's a one line configure if you're inclined though --Icytea 17:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I do have the option - haven't tested so I'm not sure if it's bugged or not. If you give me a list, I'll move them to the right spot. That way we don't lose history or resolution. --Clotho 22:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Image Moving

Here's something to test (just capital letters) - the icons I mentioned below! Could we move the following like so:

File:Buff attack icon.png >>> File:Buff Attack icon.png
File:Buff defense icon.png >>> File:Buff Defense icon.png
File:Buff movement speed icon.png >>> File:Buff Movement Speed icon.png
File:Debuff attack icon.png >>> File:Debuff Attack icon.png
File:Debuff defense icon.png >>> File:Debuff Defense icon.png
Moved, redirects can't be suppressed at moving time, we can live with them. If more need to be done, please start a new section in this discussion page. --Clotho 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

If the test works, shall we make a tag similar to "needs updating" for all files to be moved? I'll make it so editors put the new/desired filename destination in the tag. -Novaster 23:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Unless there's already a tag like this that exists that I don't know about ;P -Novaster 23:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of. --Clotho 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll get to making that tag. I thought about tagging many of the battle sprite images with this, but a lot of these are just too much of a "mess" and need cropping anyway, so I can just do my reupload-to-fix for those. I'm pretty sure it's very clear when battle sprites came out, so we don't need to worry about archive data for these. -Novaster 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah looking at the files now, people DO have them on pages, and I don't like nosing about on personal pages unless there's something really wiki breaking. Tagging them shortly after the relevant WiP is done. -Novaster 11:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Tah Dah! < please move it move it. To make sure they got moved to the right spot, I've put a "gallery prep" on the discussion page of every sprite (Like so) - they should show up in there once saved. These galleries should force consistent naming (dashes, capitals, and all!) into the distant future. Thanks! (and yes, progression pics are missing, that's a recent project I started as of the Gun Pup release and it's a very low priority WiP)-Novaster 17:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and comment here and I've asked Gamemasters about this a long time ago specifically about deleting posts through an easy-to-use template. Their response:
About the template, as nice as it sounds, I doubt it would be any different than what we have now. GMs monitor the wiki regularly, but not constant enough to be checking that category. An in-game request is much faster!
In this sense, this makes the tag redundant. The user(s) on this wiki are able to freely re-upload images to their proper name. You can also just add the Delete Template. Doing this is much more simple than constantly asking Gamemasters to move it. Just my thoughts on it anyhow. --Acies 17:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree that as a long-term project it's not practical. However, I'm happy to help a bit - I'll take care of the images on that tag above in the next few days. If more come up, use that tag and poke me here to let me know. Please note that this is not a service that GMs are able to provide on a regular basis as our duties are many and time is short, this is a personal offer from me to the wiki editors for a short period of time. --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh dear, so sorry - I thought that because it is conserved in the page history it would be fine to clean up my clutter, because I post in here so much. Should I post everything back in here? -Novaster 19:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I see the major problem with this - Acies missed 75% of the conversation, which doesn't help things - I'd like to think everyone uses page history as much as I do. Just let me know what to do regarding the edits of the past week or so. -Novaster 20:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I went ahead and tried to restore my "cleanups" based on history of this page. I probably made mistakes, but, I do try to do the right things, hope it helps (really hope it didn't somehow make things worse) -Novaster 21:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Question about improving icons

I like how nice and high res Attack speed icon.png is.

Is there a way us editors can get our paws on higher quality versions of the following without doing heavy pixel editing ourselves (which leads to inaccuracy). These are not in game files in HQ as far as we can tell:

Buff Attack icon.png, Buff Defense icon.png, Buff Movement Speed icon.png, Buff Attack Speed icon.png, Debuff Attack icon.png, Debuff Defense icon.png, Debuff Movement Speed icon.png, Debuff Attack Speed icon.png

If you get them, I'd like to upload them (or for them to be uploaded) to consistently lowercase letters, with only Buff or Debuff capitalized.

Thanks, -Novaster 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. The data we have available is the same that players have. --Clotho 16:42, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

A Big Project

Hello, as you can see from a ton of sandbox edits lately, we're trying to build a thing! This thing could be pretty major, so I think it would be smart to ask for staff opinion(s).

It's a list that can sort things via name, damage or defense type, resistances, abilities, penalties, and star, and so on, depending on the type of item.

I want to make this because a lot of players seem to have trouble finding certain item types and comparing items. After several months of this on the bottom of my "things I could try to do for the wiki in my spare time of which I have too much" I decided to get goin on it.

Naturally, I went to the forums to get more opinions.

So we've a lot of us have been putting lots of thought into this, and people seem to like the idea in general, but to sum up the forum discussion, we're not having an efficient time deciding on format.

Some opinion(s) on something this large from staff would be great, and, smart to get, yeah? -Novaster 01:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, also, can we get confirmation about the order of release for items? I've checked release/all but it doesn't mention everything :)/ -Novaster 21:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
The wiki is a community project and in general we rely on the consensus of the player community for such decisions, unless it's something that goes against the style guide/policy. As for release, I'm afraid I don't have a way to find that information easily and sending a query to the developers is out of the question. However, I can take a look and see what I can find. Which items are the ones that need fact-checking? --Clotho 18:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Not sure yet, we've not tried to make all tables (since we're changing so much, it would be silly to do that work and have to change that too) - when we do, I'll post here. -Novaster 19:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Update: the armor lists are filled in, namewise - in what we believe is the DoR order. Verification would be nice once we get them all onto the same page :D -Novaster 22:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Images, Animation, and Mouse

So I had a thought - would it be at all possible to have any APNGs we upload to the wiki be frozen on the first frame - only animating if a user hovers their mouse over the image? I've seen this before around the intranetz but IDK how we would (or if we could) go about it on the wiki. Just a thought! Would be nice for new players wanting to get a good look at an item, but otherwise be un-distracted by movement on the page while they look at other things. -Novaster 07:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

This looks like a topic for discussion for the wiki editors forums. --Clotho 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Oki doki. If you're allowed to give staff opinion, what would be your opinion in general ;P? -Novaster 20:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to keep things as simple as possible. --Clotho 17:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


I showed an image I made of my "tabber dream" to several players (image here), and the feedback has been almost entirely positive - so I decided to make something as close to it as I could with the current wiki. Calling it... Item Cards project! ("card" since, well, it kinda looks like a cute ID card for items, doesn't it? hehe). Anyway, it's been kinda...difficult, so I've spawned several templates and deleted them quickly, this sort of thing is not going to hurt the wiki or anything like that is it? I wish I could delete pages out myself (I like to clean up my messes), but all I can do is the {{delete}} tag, which makes more work for you. Ah well. I've just noticed a lot of inconsistencies with page format around the wiki - understandable of course, with so many contributors. If I can manage to make this Card Template intuitive, flexible-yet-rigid (rigid for consistencies, flexible for experienced and inexperienced users alike), I think we'll have a very clean wiki. Here is the forum thread - so we can track feedback and such. I'll update it with in-game feedback too.
TL;DR: Sorry about all the junk templates and trashed pages I generate in this process. I am inspired.
-Novaster 02:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Icon for Crafting

The main wiki page has a silly icon for crafting...not been updated in a while.

Can we replace it with something more relevant? Like Icon-rarity.png or a greyed out version of Crafting-AlchemyMachine-Alchemy Machine icon.png (since not all rarities are used crafting)?

The pickup vial is a little odd this late in the game. I think I can replace the actual image file myself, but the main page it's on doesn't allow editing, so I want to ask. -Novaster 22:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Changed. It may take a while for the cached image to update. --Clotho 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

This Image seems a bit wonky. Idk if it's important but I just found it going through categories and I can't tag it...which makes me think it's important :O (why is it in icky jpg eeeeew)-Novaster 05:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

also this one. -Novaster 05:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Outdated External Link

User:MtaxXx mentioned an outdated link on the discussion page of Account Security. -Novaster 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template Category Project

I'm attempting to put various templates into easy to navigate/understand categories, so users don't generate new templates when there might already be one they're looking for (something I did frequently when I was new here and would have appreciated as a nubbie editor). Understandably, I can't edit the Template:Showhide code - could you add [[Category:Showhide Templates]] to it? If I find more...specialized templates around the wiki that I can't edit so they fall into categories, I'll return here again. Thanks, -Novaster 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

It would be cool to do the [[Category:Showhide Templates|*]] thingie since it's the daddy template of these templates. -Novaster 15:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Organizing & Cleaning Category Images

This Image bothers me on so many levels. Bad tag, and it's not a true visual of the situation - that horizontal zigzag line doesn't appear in-game...I get what this image is meant to do but I don't think it's appropriate. The image is technically of an item, yes, in that it is of an item's...tooltip...thing...but compared to most other tag specifics, it just doesn't make sense. Could we delete this image...if not, could we change the tag to {{wiki image}}? I would just change the file that shows up on the Unique Variant page and add a delete tag myself, but this weird image is protected, so I need to check here first. -Novaster 04:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

There are lots of images in Category:Item images that don't have tags that make sense. I have {{text image}} and {{interface image}} tags that I think would be appropriate for most of these, but I can't edit some of them. -Novaster 05:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Do you have a list? --Clotho 17:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I do not. I've made/there are the following categories:
{{interface image}} if there's clickable button things or {{text image}} for if there's no clickable button things,
{{news image}}
{{obsolete image}}
{{screenshot image}}

and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.

Please change the tags of protected images as you see fit. I'd love to go through Category:Item images and Category:Official images and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't. Sorry for late reply, I didn't see that this page had changed - I should add it to my watchlist! -Novaster 11:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Modified edit: and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.

I'd love to go through Category:Item images and Category:Official images and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't.

Would it be best to unprotect files that are not sensitive regarding billing? Or just temporarily unprotect them so I can tag them? Early wiki days were weird. -Novaster 20:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

This is just a side thing. Destroying pages is probably higher on your list of things to do. I've managed to make another pile of them >,..,> -Novaster 20:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Winterfest Prize Box

1.5% - An Impostoclaus Hat and Winterfest Coat costume armor set! This exceptionally rare item gives you the look of the fabled Impostoclaus and lasts forever! (set includes both items) - by this, does it mean that the set came out (like both hat and coat) at the same time from a single unboxing at 1.5% chance? Nobody I know seems to remember. This information is totally super duper important. Totally. I'll have to slightly adjust templates if this is the case. -Novaster 21:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Confirming Anniversary Prize Box things

Did the "Anniversary Prize Box 2014" also have Party Blowouts, Party Hats, and Sprinkle Auras (like the Anniversary Prize Box) in addition to the newer Grand Toppers, Field Caps, and Plumed Caps? This Forum Post has the bulleted list a little iffy, and I've found a video here that shows Maskwell's list (so, no party hats etc. for straight up tokens, as I almost thought from that admin post). I don't have anything in my memory bank or files that can verify. Is there anywhere that lists the % chances for the Anniversary Prize Box 2014? Thanks, -Novaster 03:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The only information we have available is the forum post you linked and this page. --Clotho 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
aw shucks :(. I guess I'll just leave a note on the Anniversary Prize Box 2014 page about "unsure about the prize pool." Thanks for looking. -Novaster 04:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Icon Fixes

Catching my breath...

I've gone through and fixed several icons (and typos in redirects) around the wiki. That was...invisible work! I plan on "fixing" perks too, and a few other odds and ends. I wish this mentality were more common:

Just because something doesn't have an appearance in-game separate from its icon, doesn't mean it's fine to upload one without "icon" in the filename, otherwise tables can't be uniform and switches get quite silly (I looked at the switch I did for one of the tables, and was just like ALL RIGHT, TIME TO FIX THIS SILLYNESS like a few of us editors did for confetti and boxes).

Anyway, I ramble... All that's left is outdated filenames on the Supply Depot page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on Rarity page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to Supply Depot Sale stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.

Not gonna look at/fix materials. That's just too many files, the system works fine (making switches for something that consistently inconsistent-with-wiki isn't so bad), and nobody REALLY cares except my inner OCD Devilite and well, I'm only gonna be alive so long on this planet. The same sort of thing bothers me about "equipped" images...the days before tooltip rotations were dark indeed. Nope. Not worth anyone's time to "fix." Nope. Nooooope.

Thanks, -Novaster 11:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


Copyright Risk - created that tag so admins can deal with these in bulk as editors use the tag. What should be done about these images? I'm 99% sure they're copyrighted. -Novaster 15:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I have just found the {{copyvio}} tag by chance working on another project. So, using that instead! I'll be working on a "how to wiki guide" pretty soon...so people can know that things like this already exist and not embarrass themselves. -Novaster 00:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/Bolivio This guy has been vandalising the Unity Guild page for a few times already. Just look at his contributions: Putting stripes through the member names, removing certain templates, etc. I have talked to the GMs of Unity and they are trying to find out who is causing this Vandalism since the way this guy vandalised the page means he must have a grudge against Unity. --10000fists 09:56, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. One month block as per policy. -Clotho 22:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll put advertisers here now

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/Dentist659 --Trying 13:49, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Took care of him, thank you! --Clotho 17:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/Dentist699 --Trying 12:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/6Kastru61 --Trying 14:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
They're getting tricky. http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/Umrah976 --Trying 13:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/Clinic04hair --Trying 19:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Pesky spammers taken care of! --Clotho 20:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/Clinic06hair --Trying 14:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Special:Contributions/8Kastru65 --Trying 15:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Dentist116 --Trying 06:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
All blocked, thanks for the report! --Clotho 22:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Epayment12 --Trying 17:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Columbus98 --Trying 14:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Epayment14 --Trying 09:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Hairgrowth45 --Trying 13:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Blocked! --Clotho 19:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Found one: User:Clientinnova‎ = please make it go away. Novaster 08:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Found one: User:Boostvertica‎ = please make it go away. Novaster 19:03, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Since there's so few external links on the wiki, the ExternalLinks extension would probably be very helpful, as you could just check it every week/month and see what new links have popped up. --Efreak 05:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Just a note

Now everyone will know you have an alt named Spinner. Bad idea.--Trying 20:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

That was a random name used on preview. I should have used a more generic name, now that I think about, will change it to avoid confusion. --Clotho 20:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I believe the names Spiral-Knight and Exampleplayer are typically used.--Trying 21:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Used Example-Player instead, thanks for the note :) --Clotho 21:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

starter pack

The page is locked so could you update that page? Starter Pack--Trying 21:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

All the packs need updating, waiting for word from the billing department. Thanks! --Clotho 21:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm just getting the values straight off of [1] and it seems to be up to date. --Trying 21:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes it is! However, new word from billing department is that we will protect all those pages from now on, as anything listed there is considered 'official' information. Getting to that now, thanks for the heads up! --Clotho 21:16, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

This isn't right. You monster.

I read the April Fools 2012 event page, and the pictures of talking monsters were missing. I then read the history, and here we are. This is like the Soviet Union airbrushing out the cosmonauts who failed missions.

Put 'em back.


Someone who is too smart to associate themselves with this.

    • Poor monsters are mute! --Clotho 02:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
  • "Poor monsters" were SILENCED

=Hello, two questions

I've posted these on Equinox's talk page, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have them here as well:

Accessory Species

Hi, I've been talking with players for around two years now, and one thing they've always wanted is overworld previews. Most things look completely different during regular gameplay than they do in the preview/inspect windows. I've been working on creating various images and .gifs for this purpose, but life got in the way. Then spring break came for my university, and I did several this past week. But then I noticed an issue...

There have been so many promotions featuring new and unique accessories that the wiki pages on accessories at first just seemed to be out of date, and it's a fun hobby to help out. I dug deeper. I think I got over-inspired (my rapid reversion of a few images indicates my awakening from this inspiration - oops went too far, haha) and might have done some atypical labeling. For example, there are power pistons, golden laurels, apocrean disciple crowns, plasma wings...ruinous crystal...and on. And potentially on forever as the game progresses. These accessories are "unique" in that they are their own isolated "style" - no "volcanic power pistons" or "cool halo," and so on. So I decided to put anything that behaves like this into its own accessory slot, "Unique Helmet Front" for glow eyes, "Unique Helmet Side" for golden laurel, etc. The most important one so far (imo) is the Unique Armor Back, since that slot has the most unique accessories (well, besides auras, but those have always been special/unique) so far.

I did this to see how it looked in the menus and on pages. My reasoning behind this: if we keep making individual list slots for every special accessory, the list on the main accessory page could "scroll for miles" within a few years, or even several months, with all the aesthetics Spiral Knights keeps producing.

But I feel this isn't the most formal or appropriate way to do things, as in-game they are not called "unique helmet top." Granted, a person searching the term would be suggested the page containing information on the item, but I am still unsure.

I foresee many unique accessories coming to the game, however they may look, for all the slots available on helms and armors, given time.

How should we go about cataloging the "unique" accessories? And for that matter, how should we organize any gifs we create of accessories that move/animate in special ways (working on auras I find, and things like dapper combos and candle are mostly finished). I've been using show/hide tabs and tried to be consistent with file naming. So far, people love these animations. I've had in-game players thank me for letting them "just see the orbit aura." I give credit to the person who poses for me, if their name isn't in the image/animation.

Note - working on updating the too-large images currently in the accessory list, to match the size of the old images so the list isn't huge. Oops. This is largely dependent on what I find in the AH.

So, yeah - How should we go about organizing accessories, and information on accessories, with all the new content?

EDIT: well, I went ahead and did the unique slot thing, and people seem to love it.

Thanks, -Novaster 22:09, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Vandal returns

Recently you blocked User:Xmaster10000 from editing. Now User:Xmaster100 is vandalizing pages. I just thought you might like to know. Jdavis 16:41, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! It has been taken care of. --Clotho 17:38, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Missing Promotional Images

official "Icons" (not usable "prize box" icons - examples: Ancientbox icon.png, Colossalbox icon.png, etc.) for these promotions are missing:

Not "buy this box via purchase" per-say:

  • anniversary prize box
  • Dark Harvest prize box
  • frosty prize box
  • companion prize box

These are not your typical...profit-box? haha. Anyway, not sure if these get official icons, as they're not part of billing and so on.

"Profit Boxes" - promotional image icon thing missing:

  • decoration kit prize box
  • elite trinket
  • gobble snipe box
  • gourmet prize box
  • nemesis prize box (this also needs an Admin wiki page creation in general)
  • obsidian prize box
  • polar prize box
  • winterfest prize boxes

Oh and, the "blooming," "equinox", "katastrophe", "rage", "rose regalia," "Slime," "Splash", and "Surprise" icon things could use that interesting... "protection tag?" Some of the others do, these don't, dunno why, seems odd to me :D. So I thought I'd mention it. The "stormy" one has a different tag, might as well mention that too.

I see that Thalia usually posts the promotional pages but, Thalia doesn't have a Talk page yet, so, I didn't know exactly how to politely post this request, but here it is!

Hope I didn't miss any.

I don't know where I get the editing energy from, it just comes and goes. -Novaster 07:14, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to get the missing icons, but it may take a few days. Thanks! --Clotho 17:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Accessories and Lockboxes

I went in today and fixed up a few things for accessories - namely ToC issues and a nice acquisition column (was another player's suggestion that I agreed with wholeheartedly). ("Trivia" vs. "Notes" forum discussion in there for the ToC stuff). My main worry is the accuracy of some of the Lockbox availabilities for many of the accessories - it would be nice to get confirmation on all Lockbox drops, if possible. This is a rather large/serious request, and many players would appreciate it (I'm very sure - they're the only boxes we gamble with but don't have an official, complete drop table for). All we know is that the drop table has been changed over time (with release notes like these. Thanks! -Novaster 01:06, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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