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{{showhide|Previous "move icons" request|content=A few of us are working on missions. Wow! How many years has it been since missions were introduced, and we still don't have pages for a lot of 'em! Well, better late than never.
 
  
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*[[:File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Standard_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Standard Supply Pack.png]
 
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*[[:File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Deluxe_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Deluxe Supply Pack.png]
 
  
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The should show up in the table on the [[Supply Pack]] page when that page is saved after the moves.
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== Its this new? ==
  
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Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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*General: Bad filenames. These items are not equipment. Also, there is an annoying space after the hyphen. Editors should be able to use the proper linking templates. Shame on my 2013 self. Shame.
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:Should be back to normal! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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*Every other mat has Crafting-blahblah for its name, even though not all materials are used in crafting, and even though they are icons they don't have icon in the name. Just goin with the old norm 'cause it's too much of a hassle to change these to be "right," especially when nobody sees the filename except editors and the ultra curious. Same ocd issue with BlahBlah-Equipped after tooltips were introduced. After moving the files, please delete the originals after all "what links here" are taken care of. I'll post here when that's done.
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::Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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*We want to retain file history, because some people like old icons and time stamps - a discussion we've already agreed on :)
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I'll probably ask something about OCH in a bit that involves billing on its own subpage and unprotecting the actual mission page.
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:I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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::I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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: I'm getting an internal error qhen trying to move the files. It's possible the move will not be possible. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::Okay, I shall tackle it best I can with the permissions I have. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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:Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:
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*[[:File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png]]
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:: Deleted! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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== Curiosity about wiki issues ==
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A small request - did some template cleaning and organization. Can't edit the code of [[Template:GuildInfo]]. Please add [[:Category:Infobox templates]] to its <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> section. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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* Added!  --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Sorry for bump in to this but i think there is (somehow) an error in the [[Template:GuildInfo]], for some reason it add the link but not as category, maybe if add it like <nowiki>[[Category:blahblah]] and not like [[:Category:blahblah]]</nowiki> would work? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 16:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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:: Probably a good idea to try the template in a [[sandbox]]. Once finalized, please let me know and I'll be happy to add the final version. Thank you! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hey again Clotho! I just fix the spanish template of the GuildInfo and yes, without the ":" works. Also, when you fix that, could you add '''<nowiki><noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude></nowiki>''' at the top of the [[:Template:GuildInfo/doc|documentation in the GuildInfo]] please? thx! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.
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:: Added <nowiki><noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude></nowiki> to [[Template:GuildInfo/doc]]. Removed the : from <nowiki>[[Category:Infobox templates]]</nowiki> in [[Template:GuildInfo]]. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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==Operation Crimson Hammer==
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Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and [[Operation Crimson Hammer]] (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has [[Billing]] information. My solution to this problem:
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*[[:Category:Armor ankle attachment]]: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like [[Splash Sarong]] for example, thats the most recent one i added).
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*[[ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer]]: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the [[:Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed]], only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
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*[[Recon (MotT)]]: This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.
  
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Create the subpage: [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]] and protect that.
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I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz [[Smitty]] was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes <code><nowiki>[[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]]</nowiki></code> so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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Have <nowiki>{{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}}</nowiki> in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).
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Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?
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I edited [[User:Riteshpatil|this]]. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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Thanks,
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'''P.D:''' The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...
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:<code>Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by '''Clotho'''.
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::''Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"''</code>
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That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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== Another Spam user ==
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: That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]], protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi~ The name of the spam user is [[User:Sohbet|Sohbet]]. I already edited their page to erase the links --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): ''OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.''
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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::: I'll discuss this with the billing department, but I don't foresee any changes in the near future. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::: Actually, what might work for the time being is a Sandbox/Operation Crimson Hammer where you guys make all the editions you want and I'll just copy/paste the contents into the protected page. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 20:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::I view this as a bandaid solution for reasons stated above (quite a hassle to do it this way if we continue to get more expansion missions). I/We'll work on that...soonish, most likely, but real life is very pressing for me these days. Let's hope billing can be flexible! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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I will usually politely fix file usage on individual user pages if they are using an image that has an out of date or poorly named filename, something I was uncomfortable doing because it was userspace until I talked with a few people and saw [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeaParty&diff=117924&oldid=104652 this edit by Equinox]. Hikaru and I decided it would be best to upload all of the [[prestige]] icons to consistent names, and Hikaru did the uploading. We both have a few questions (simply copypasted from my talk page, so you have some context):
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Seems like user can add them to their userpage or guild but didnt find a good cat to add them, icon image's tag should remain in-game related in my opinion. Can we create some kind of category that those who want to make an userpage/guild can check for icons? We can add the tag to the prestige icons too. I dunno tell me what u think.
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:For this, I'd ask Clotho what would be best to do. In the past I just slapped the copyright tag on them due to a story I read about Facebook getting upset over misuse of their logo, but there are certain CC liberties we have. A category named "External images" perhaps? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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::Seems like that can be :) but what about Misc images? it would be a place images that are useful but not-related to game. Externals images sounds mostly like the same so any of those can be usefull ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:20, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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Also, to dont make another section. There is still these icons of prestige badge: [[File:Prestigefinal-green.png]][[File:Prestige Rank 1 Red.png]][[File:45kPrestigeBadge.png]][[File:Prestigebadgeaquatwostripedot.png]][[File:Vermillion-badge-45k.png]] [[File:Prank vanguard.png]] That are in use. I would remplace them as they have it, only with the new format and URL buuuuut dunno if that count as rude xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 09:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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:I'm going to slap the character image tag on the ones that are in use. User pages are free format. Unless they break ToS or are using an official icon in the mainspace (they often to for equipment and guild halls, and we've changed the names of those to be more fitting in the past and I've fixed them on user pages because they needed to be deleted), we leave their pages alone. For all you know, they could WANT a blurry version, for whatever artistic reason. Put the delete tag on them if they didn't serve a purpose in the past/won't in the foreseeable future and no pages link to them. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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In short, what should we do about the external icons regarding category tags, and do you think I should just go ahead and fix those other prestige visuals? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hello there Clotho~ I found that some main icons are "locked", so i cant edit them. Would you please add this exact tag '''<nowiki>{{icon image|1-arsenal}}</nowiki>''' to the following icons please?
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Thx alot~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 03:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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Its this new?

Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --HikaruFER 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Should be back to normal! --Clotho (talk) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --HikaruFER 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --Matusm (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --HikaruFER 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity about wiki issues

Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.

Examples:

  • Category:Armor ankle attachment: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like Splash Sarong for example, thats the most recent one i added).
  • ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed, only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
  • Recon (MotT): This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.

I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz Smitty was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes [[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]] so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --HikaruFER 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Spam?

I edited this. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --HikaruFER 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --Clotho (talk) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --HikaruFER 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

P.D: The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...

Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Clotho.
Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"

That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --HikaruFER 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Another Spam user

Hi~ The name of the spam user is Sohbet. I already edited their page to erase the links --HikaruFER 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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