User talk:Jdavis/Swords

DVS vs. WHB

Hey Bopp, I realized in your comparison of WHB and DVS is unfair. WHB's charge is actually practical against trojans and slow things. It is the ONLY practical cutter line charge. Sederts 21:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

explain to me the difference between the WHB and DVS charge--Trying 21:49, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in improving my guide. I'd also like to know the difference in the charge attacks, if there is one. DVS fans tell me exactly the same thing --- that the charge is actually practical against trojans and slow monsters. Jdavis 23:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The whb is five quick slashes. DVS is a long 10+ hits. Sederts 21:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Aren't they both just five quick strokes, each landing twice on the monster, for a total of 10 damage numbers? Jdavis 22:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll post a link to a video: [[1]] What you described above is the normal combo, NOT the charge. The DVS charge takes forever and is ungainly, while WHB's charge can be quick and effective. Sederts 23:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

WHoops wrong video D: Here's the right one [[2]]

So can you explain how the damage table at Wild Hunting Blade works? Because it looks identical to DVS' damage table (for non-beasts at least). Isn't it the case that the WHB charge does Charge+Low, Charge+Low, Charge+Low, Charge+Low, Charge+Low? That's what DVS does, I think. And let me reiterate: If I have a major misconception here, then I appreciate your clearing it up. I don't like being ignorant. I've used DVS, but never WHB. Jdavis 00:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The WHB charge doesn't have low inserted in between. Watch video 2.

Around 1:20, when the charge is being used against gun puppies in FSC depth 24, you can very clearly see the low numbers popping up. Later, against the trojans, you can see them popping up again. So far, this is just further evidence that the charge is identical to DVS'. Jdavis 13:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The low numbers pop up I realize that, but if you see DVS charge, it takes longer to complete. Any way enough arguing, Dvs has the advantage of poison anywaySederts 14:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't understand that your main point was the length (in time) of the charge attack. I'll try to check that out better. It may show up in the charges per minute data, if I ever get around to adding those. Thanks for your help. :) Jdavis 14:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad to clear that up. Anyway, this difference is insignificant, I'd much rather use DVS. Sederts 15:33, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to help you on this guide, I know quite a bit about swords myself Sederts 15:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe the best way to proceed is for you to write some text of your own, in your own user space. And then maybe I can link to it, or we can blend our two texts somehow. I say this for two reasons: (A) This guide is already getting too long, so I don't want to add much to it. (B) This guide is better for the fact that one person writes it; there is no clash of styles or messed-up organization. I have polished it over many months, based on feedback from many people like you. All that said, I would like to hear what you would add, or what you would do differently. Cheers. Jdavis 17:48, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I remember when I was in 4th Grade, I had a good friend named Jake Davis. Ah the memories. Sederts 17:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

You said in the thing that levi blade/ CIV/ WHB/ DVS have a NSrange, but I think it would be appropriate to add a MM range, since the range of those swords is shorter than the sudaruska/DA and longer/wider than the flourishes

Also I thought that it might be worth noting that the WHB has an interrupting effect on the charge(which the DVS does not) and better range than the DVS.

Nice guide by the way! Sshs 10:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I will look into the WHB/DVS differences better. But I have to say that you really don't know the flourishes. Please, please give one a try and see how long it is, and how wide the first swing is. Please. (Presumably you're also the person arguing with me on the forums?) Jdavis 13:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Probably anyone will see it but I try anyway to say my opinion. I have both Dread Venom Striker and Wild Hunting Blade, so I can say without any fear to be disproved WHB is superior to DVS. How is wrote on swordman guide, WHB charge interrupts enemy attacks, while DVS don't. This means you can land charges a lot easier with WHB than DVS, even in t3 due the coverage the charge itself gives. To make a concrete example, try inside FSC a WHB charge with max damage on a bunch of zombies grouped by an Electron Vortex, neither a brandish charge deals so much damage. You can do it with DVS too, but often happen to receive 1-2 blows while charge is going because it doesn't interrupt attacks. Also I'd write how both WHB and DVS gain a lot from damage increase due their special attack pattern. If a sword with same damage gain 1 from DI, WHB and DVS gain 1.5 because half of any increased damage goes on phantom swing. To say it in another way, without max damage both swords are useless, with max damage at least WHB really shines even in T3 thanks its charge.

6:06, 29 December 2012 (CET)

Thanks for your opinion. We've been discussing these swords on the forums occasionally (for example here). Although I don't have WHB, I do believe now that its charge interrupts more than DVS'. I might wait until I have WHB, to update the guide about it. Or I might not. Cheers. Jdavis 14:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)