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| | Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]]. '''If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum] instead. If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the [[Support Portal]] to get help.''' | | Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]]. '''If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum] instead. If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the [[Support Portal]] to get help.''' |
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| − | Hello, as you can see from a ton of sandbox edits lately, we're trying to build a thing! This thing could be pretty major, so I think it would be smart to ask for staff opinion(s).
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| − | It's a list that can sort things via name, damage or defense type, resistances, abilities, penalties, and star, and so on, depending on the type of item.
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| − | I want to make this because a lot of players seem to have trouble finding certain item types and comparing items. After several months of this on the bottom of my "things I could try to do for the wiki in my spare time of which I have too much" I decided to get goin on it.
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| − | Naturally, I went to the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/105837 forums] to get more opinions.
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| − | So we've a lot of us have been putting lots of thought into this, and people seem to like the idea in general, but to sum up the forum discussion, we're not having an efficient time deciding on format.
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| − | Some opinion(s) on something this large from staff would be great, and, smart to get, yeah?
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| − | -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :Oh, also, can we get confirmation about the order of release for items? I've checked [[release/all]] but it doesn't mention everything :)/ -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | ::The wiki is a community project and in general we rely on the consensus of the player community for such decisions, unless it's something that goes against the style guide/policy. As for release, I'm afraid I don't have a way to find that information easily and sending a query to the developers is out of the question. However, I can take a look and see what I can find. Which items are the ones that need fact-checking? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 18:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :::Not sure yet, we've not tried to make all tables (since we're changing so much, it would be silly to do that work and have to change that too) - when we do, I'll post here. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Update: the armor lists are filled in, namewise - in what we believe is the DoR order. Verification would be nice once we get them all onto the same page :D -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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| − | So I had a thought - would it be at all possible to have any APNGs we upload to the wiki be frozen on the first frame - only animating if a user hovers their mouse over the image? I've seen this before around the intranetz but IDK how we would (or if we could) go about it on the wiki. Just a thought! Would be nice for new players wanting to get a good look at an item, but otherwise be un-distracted by movement on the page while they look at other things. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 07:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :This looks like a topic for discussion for the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/14 wiki editors] forums. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | ::[http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/106171 Oki doki]. If you're allowed to give staff opinion, what would be your opinion in general ;P? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :::My suggestion would be to keep things as simple as possible. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | {{showhide|initial inquiry about tabber|content=Oh look, Nova is doing weird things on the wiki again!
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| − | So I've been trying to make a nice...thing...that mimics a few in-game interfaces. Basically it's a tab box that:
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| − | *doesn't link to other pages unless specified, a self-contained thing
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| − | *provides a great way to organize things
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| − | *and blahblah
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| − | I poked around on our wiki and couldn't find anything anywhere that behaves like this.
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| − | I poked around on MediaWiki, and they have a "[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tabber tabber]" extension. Do we have this? I tried making a template but it didn't quite work, wondering if I'm just not plugging something in correctly. If we don't have this extension, would it be possible to get it? Since we're powered by MediaWiki here and all that (I have...no idea...how these things work :D...magic?)
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| − | So I spent some time messing around last night trying to incorporate show/hide, and the sheer pathetic level of my efforts made me laugh.
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| − | [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Template:Help%26Documentation-GuildHall relevant derpy template 1]
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| − | [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Template:Help%26Documentation-GuildHall/start relevant derpy template 2]
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| − | I think it's clear what I'm trying to do? If not, I'll try to elaborate more. I'm talking with some friends about how to do this, and none of 'em seem to have a clue how to do it.
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| − | EDIT: [[File:templaterequest_tabber.png]]
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| − | Thanks for reading! -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :OH an optional scrollbar parameter would be ideal, if possible. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | ::Talked with some friends, and they said something about old MediaWiki not having the capacity for new MediaWiki things. That makes me sad D:. Messed around with it some more, and, well, the way that it's NOT working is making me laugh at least. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :::We don't ave those extensions and it's likely they won't be implemented any time soon. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :I showed an image I made of my "tabber dream" to several players ([http://imgur.com/uXaoqiZ image here]), and the feedback has been almost entirely positive - so I decided to make something as close to it as I could with the current wiki. Calling it... '''Item Cards''' project! ("card" since, well, it kinda looks like a cute ID card for items, doesn't it? hehe). Anyway, it's been kinda...difficult, so I've spawned several templates and deleted them quickly, this sort of thing is not going to hurt the wiki or anything like that is it? I wish I could delete pages out myself (I like to clean up my messes), but all I can do is the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> tag, which makes more work for you. Ah well. I've just noticed a lot of inconsistencies with page format around the wiki - understandable of course, with so many contributors. If I can manage to make this Card Template intuitive, flexible-yet-rigid (rigid for consistencies, flexible for experienced and inexperienced users alike), I think we'll have a very clean wiki. [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/106676 Here] is the forum thread - so we can track feedback and such. I'll update it with in-game feedback too.
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| − | :TL;DR: Sorry about all the junk templates and trashed pages I generate in this process. I am inspired.
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| − | :-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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| − | Can we replace it with something more relevant? Like [[File:Icon-rarity.png|50px]] or a greyed out version of [[File:Crafting-AlchemyMachine-Alchemy Machine icon.png|50px]] (since not all rarities are used crafting)?
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| − | The pickup vial is a little odd this late in the game. I think I can replace the actual image file myself, but the main page it's on doesn't allow editing, so I want to ask. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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| − | : Changed. It may take a while for the cached image to update. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Power_surge_weekend_600x160.jpg also this one]. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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| − | I'm attempting to put various templates into easy to navigate/understand categories, so users don't generate new templates when there might already be one they're looking for (something I did frequently when I was new here and would have appreciated as a nubbie editor). Understandably, I can't edit the [[:Template:Showhide]] code - could you add <nowiki> [[Category:Showhide Templates]]</nowiki> to it? If I find more...specialized templates around the wiki that I can't edit so they fall into categories, I'll return here again. Thanks, -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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| − | :It would be cool to do the '''<nowiki>[[Category:Showhide Templates|*]]</nowiki>''' thingie since it's the daddy template of these templates. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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| − | [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Unique_variant.png This Image] bothers me on so many levels. Bad tag, and it's not a true visual of the situation - that horizontal zigzag line doesn't appear in-game...I get what this image is meant to do but I don't think it's appropriate. The image is technically of an item, yes, in that it is of an item's...tooltip...thing...but compared to most other tag specifics, it just doesn't make sense. Could we delete this image...if not, could we change the tag to <nowiki>{{wiki image}}</nowiki>? I would just change the file that shows up on the [[Unique Variant]] page and add a delete tag myself, but this weird image is protected, so I need to check here first. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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| − | :There are lots of images in [[:Category:Item images]] that don't have tags that make sense. I have <nowiki>{{text image}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{interface image}}</nowiki> tags that I think would be appropriate for most of these, but I can't edit some of them. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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| − | :: Do you have a list? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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| − | :::I do not. I've made/there are the following categories:
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| − | :<nowiki>{{interface image}}</nowiki> if there's clickable button things or <nowiki>{{text image}}</nowiki> for if there's no clickable button things,
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| − | and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.
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| − | Please change the tags of protected images as you see fit. I'd love to go through [[:Category:Item images]] and [[:Category:Official images]] and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't. Sorry for late reply, I didn't see that this page had changed - I should add it to my watchlist! -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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