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− | + | This page is part of the [[Lancer Knightz (Guild)|Lancer Knightz]] [[Lancer Knightz (Guild)/Data|data collection project]]. These particular data were collected by [[User:Jdavis|Bopp]] (where marked with <sup>B</sup>) and [[User:Vroom|Donkeyhaute]]. We are in the process of collecting new, more accurate data. | |
− | + | ==Procedure== | |
− | + | Only 5-star swords are tested. All tests are performed at [[Abilities|ASI]]+6, because ASI has a small effect on charges per minute. The tester sets a one-minute timer, executes charge attacks for a minute straight, and records the count and the [[Abilities|CTR]] level. The test is repeated until it seems to settle on an answer. All results (not just the average) are reported to Donkeyhaute. He averages the results and rounds the average to the nearest half-integer. | |
− | The | + | ==New Data== |
+ | |||
+ | The table shows the average combos per minute, for each sword, at each level of CTR. To see the individual measurements that produce the average, view the source code for the table. By the way, there is large variation in the Fang of Vog data, because some tests involve a lot of self-fire, which partially resets the charge timer. | ||
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+ | The table is currently fairly empty, because we are in the process of collecting new data. For more complete, but less useful, data, see the Old Data section below. | ||
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+ | ==Analysis== | ||
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+ | It appears that Wild Hunting Blade is slower than Dread Venom Striker. (This trend has been confirmed by Bopp's retesting of both swords.) Also, Gran Faust is slower than Divine Avenger. The same trends appear in our [[Lancer Knightz (Guild)/Sword Combos Per Minute|combos per minute]] data. So, we confirm the conventional wisdom that Gran Faust is no faster than Divine Avenger, even though its speed bar is longer. | ||
+ | |||
+ | When our data are more complete, we will analyze the speedup from each level of CTR. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Old Data and Analysis== | ||
+ | |||
+ | The data in this section were collected before the user interface was changed to include a "charge bar". The charge bar makes optimal timing of charges easier and more reproducible. So these data are systematically lower than the data above. We keep them here, because more levels of CTR are represented in these data, than in the data above. | ||
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+ | This section also includes movement speed data. To collect such data, the tester goes to the train platform on the west side of Moorcroft Manor, with no movement speed increase or decrease. The tester runs from the north end of the platform to the south end three times, with the sword charged. The average of the three times is shown in the Dash column. When not charging a weapon, this dash takes a baseline 6.8 seconds. The Penalty column shows how much longer than baseline the observed dash time is; it's a measure of how much charging the sword slows down the user. | ||
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Revision as of 23:30, 7 November 2013
This page is part of the Lancer Knightz data collection project. These particular data were collected by Bopp (where marked with B) and Donkeyhaute. We are in the process of collecting new, more accurate data.
Procedure
Only 5-star swords are tested. All tests are performed at ASI+6, because ASI has a small effect on charges per minute. The tester sets a one-minute timer, executes charge attacks for a minute straight, and records the count and the CTR level. The test is repeated until it seems to settle on an answer. All results (not just the average) are reported to Donkeyhaute. He averages the results and rounds the average to the nearest half-integer.
New Data
The table shows the average combos per minute, for each sword, at each level of CTR. To see the individual measurements that produce the average, view the source code for the table. By the way, there is large variation in the Fang of Vog data, because some tests involve a lot of self-fire, which partially resets the charge timer.
The table is currently fairly empty, because we are in the process of collecting new data. For more complete, but less useful, data, see the Old Data section below.
Name | Damage | 0 | +1 | +2 | +3 | +4 | +5 | +6 |
Leviathan Blade | normal | 22.5 | ||||||
Cold Iron VanquisherB | normal | 22.5 | ||||||
Dread Venom Striker | normal | 19 | ||||||
Wild Hunting BladeB | normal | 16.5 | ||||||
Sudaruska | normal | 15.5 | ||||||
Triglav | normal | |||||||
Barbarous Thorn Blade | piercing | 23 | ||||||
Final Flourish | piercing | 19 | ||||||
Fearless RigadoonB | piercing | 19 | ||||||
Furious FlambergeB | piercing | 19 | ||||||
Warmaster Rocket Hammer | elemental | 13 | ||||||
Divine Avenger | elem+norm | 20 | ||||||
Fang of Vog | elem+norm | 18.5 | ||||||
Voltedge | elem+norm | |||||||
Combuster | elem+norm | 23 | ||||||
Glacius | elem+norm | 23 | ||||||
Obsidian EdgeB | shad+norm | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19.5 | 21 | 23 |
Acheron | shad+norm | 23 | ||||||
Gran Faust | shad+norm | 15 |
Analysis
It appears that Wild Hunting Blade is slower than Dread Venom Striker. (This trend has been confirmed by Bopp's retesting of both swords.) Also, Gran Faust is slower than Divine Avenger. The same trends appear in our combos per minute data. So, we confirm the conventional wisdom that Gran Faust is no faster than Divine Avenger, even though its speed bar is longer.
When our data are more complete, we will analyze the speedup from each level of CTR.
Old Data and Analysis
The data in this section were collected before the user interface was changed to include a "charge bar". The charge bar makes optimal timing of charges easier and more reproducible. So these data are systematically lower than the data above. We keep them here, because more levels of CTR are represented in these data, than in the data above.
This section also includes movement speed data. To collect such data, the tester goes to the train platform on the west side of Moorcroft Manor, with no movement speed increase or decrease. The tester runs from the north end of the platform to the south end three times, with the sword charged. The average of the three times is shown in the Dash column. When not charging a weapon, this dash takes a baseline 6.8 seconds. The Penalty column shows how much longer than baseline the observed dash time is; it's a measure of how much charging the sword slows down the user.
Name | Damage | Dash | Penalty | 0 | +1 | +2 | +3 | +4 | +5 | +6 |
Leviathan Blade | normal | 6.9 | 1% | 15.5 | 16.5 | 18 | 19 | 21 | ||
Cold Iron VanquisherB | normal | 6.9 | 1% | 14 | 14.5 | 15.5 | 16 | 18 | 19 | 20.5 |
Dread Venom Striker | normal | 6.9 | 1% | 15 | 15.5 | 16 | 17 | 18 | ||
Wild Hunting BladeB | normal | 6.9 | 1% | 11 | 12 | 12.5 | 13 | 14 | 14.5 | 15.5 |
Sudaruska | normal | 8.3 | 22% | 11 | 11.5 | 12 | 12.5 | 13 | 14 | 15 |
Triglav | normal | |||||||||
Barbarous Thorn Blade | piercing | 7.6 | 12% | 15.5 | 16.5 | 18 | 19 | 21 | ||
Final Flourish | piercing | 7.6 | 12% | 17 | 18 | |||||
Fearless RigadoonB | piercing | 7.6 | 12% | 12.5 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 15.5 | 17 | 18 |
Furious FlambergeB | piercing | 7.6 | 12% | 12.5 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 15.5 | 17 | 18 |
Warmaster Rocket Hammer | elemental | 8.1 | 19% | 10.5 | 11 | 11.5 | 12 | 13 | ||
Divine Avenger | elem+norm | 8.3 | 22% | 16 | 17 | 18.5 | ||||
Fang of Vog | elem+norm | 6.9 | 1% | 14.5 | 15 | 15.5 | 16 | 17 | ||
Voltedge | elem+norm | |||||||||
Combuster | elem+norm | 6.9 | 1% | 17 | 18 | 19.5 | 21 | |||
Glacius | elem+norm | 6.9 | 1% | 17 | 18 | 19.5 | 21 | |||
Acheron | shad+norm | 6.9 | 1% | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19.5 | 21 | ||
Gran Faust | shad+norm | 8.3 | 22% | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |
Some remarks:
- Based on the data so far, each level of CTR increases the charges per minute by 4%-10%, with a geometric mean of 6.3%.
- Wild Hunting Blade charges 10%-20% more slowly than does Dread Venom Striker. This has been confirmed by Bopp's retesting of both swords, and it may also be true for combos.