Difference between revisions of "Talk:Damage"

Revision as of 05:40, 29 September 2011

Can we change the Healing "Attacks" Section to just Healing? The "Attacks" seems sarcastic and unnecessary. Also, does anyone know how to make the "Sources of each damage" tables not reset your browser back to the top of the page whenever you open or close them? --Softspoken 02:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I see no harm in changing it to simply "healing" or "healing abilities". As for the collapsible tables, that seems to be an issue with MediaWiki: same problem and a solution here. An administrator would have to step in to fix it. Maget 04:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I replaced the collapsable tables with showhide boxes, that use different js code and avoid the jumping to the top. --Alfwyn 12:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Damage Types

Currently the damage tables seem to downplay the role of normal damage - almost suggesting that if you were to have armor that covers piercing, elemental, and shadow with no normal you would be covered against all attacks. When it seems in actuallity without explicit normal defense a normal attack would go right through to your health. I suggest updating the table to show all monster types as being neutral to normal damage (as well as their particular type) and show Gremlins, Constructs, and Jellies as doing Normal damage along with their type.

Do Gremlins, Constructs, and Jellies do normal damage more than other monster types? The page currently states that all monsters deal only normal damage in tier 1 and a portion of normal damage in tier 2, though this is hidden inside the "sources of normal damage" expandable pane. I've assumed that means that all monsters do purely their class damage type in tier 3, though I haven't gotten that far to check yet. --Antistone 10:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Even Tier 3 Gremlins do mostly normal damage, actually, the exceptions being the Demo's bombs and the Scorcher's attacks, which are fire elemental. Constructs do mostly elemental damage, the exceptions being the melee attacks of some constructs. (Some are also dual type.) Jelly can do a mix of normal, elemental, and piercing. Undead and Fiends do shadow damage but most can do elemental or combination damage as well. Finally, Beasts all do piercing, but some have an elemental component as well.

In summary, though the damage types were set down early on in Spiral history, they are no longer useful classifications. What might work better is specifying what types of damage monsters will never do. Eg, Construct/Beast/Gremlin/Jelly won't ever do shadow damage, and Construct/Gremlin/Undead/Fiend won't do piercing damage. --Acru 01:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Something which isn't clear to me: how does normal defense work? All monsters have equal normal defense. Does that mean a player with all normal defense stats (e.g. Plate Shield, Vitasuit Plus, Plate Helm) will block all damage types equally or only normal damage? This page doesn't make it clear. --Hydraxan14 10:37, 28 September 2011 (I Don't Remember What Timezone And I'm Too Lazy To Check)

Can we be more quantitative?

In looking at the page today, I noticed that there are no solid numbers explaining what "resistant to" or "weak against" really means in terms of damage. Likewise, there's no numbers for "low/medium/high" bonus damage. If we could quantify these things, it would go a long way towards helping people decide what weapons to use, or what unique variants are worthwhile. --Pauling 02:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to spearhead the effort. Just make sure the comparison numbers are at the exact same depth. --Equinox 12:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I've been doing some testing. Preliminary results show resistance means 30% damage and weakness means 166% damage, where 100% is normal or no resistance/weakness. These results were from depth 20-24, with level 10 4-star weapons. --Acru 09:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Sources

Would it be worthwhile to maintain a list of player sources of each damage type? If I see that Beasts are vulnerable to piercing, clicking that brings me here. It'd be neat to see a list of weapons that do piercing. --FlashbackJon 17:13, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Description

"Piercing damage originates from attacks designed to bypass armor." Is this explicitly canon? That it deals reduced damage to mechanical (i.e. armor) and bonus to beast and fiend (i.e. flesh), it seems rather suspect. Considering the Flourish items, it seems much more likely that "piercing" refers more to "stabbing" than "penetration".

Only Normal in Tier 1

This page states that all monsters deal only normal damage in tier 1. It also states that a yellow circle around an enemy telegraphs a piercing attack. I've seen yellow circles in tier 1, so it seems this page is incorrect (or at least misleading) in SOME particular. Anyone know which? --Antistone 10:19, 21 August 2011 (UTC)