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Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]].  If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum].  '''If you need assistance with the game, use the [[Support Portal]].'''
  
  
{{showhide|Novaster's Mountain of Madness (questions and projects)|content=
 
===A Big Project===
 
Hello, as you can see from a ton of sandbox edits lately, we're trying to build a thing! This thing could be pretty major, so I think it would be smart to ask for staff opinion(s).
 
  
It's a list that can sort things via name, damage or defense type, resistances, abilities, penalties, and star, and so on, depending on the type of item.
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== Its this new? ==
  
I want to make this because a lot of players seem to have trouble finding certain item types and comparing items. After several months of this on the bottom of my "things I could try to do for the wiki in my spare time of which I have too much" I decided to get goin on it.
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Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Should be back to normal! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  
Naturally, I went to the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/105837 forums] to get more opinions.
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:I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  
So we've a lot of us have been putting lots of thought into this, and people seem to like the idea in general, but to sum up the forum discussion, we're not having an efficient time deciding on format.
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== Curiosity about wiki issues ==
  
Some opinion(s) on something this large from staff would be great, and, smart to get, yeah?
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Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.
-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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:Oh, also, can we get confirmation about the order of release for items? I've checked [[release/all]] but it doesn't mention everything :)/ -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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::The wiki is a community project and in general we rely on the consensus of the player community for such decisions, unless it's something that goes against the style guide/policy. As for release, I'm afraid I don't have a way to find that information easily and sending a query to the developers is out of the question. However, I can take a look and see what I can find. Which items are the ones that need fact-checking? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 18:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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:::Not sure yet, we've not tried to make all tables (since we're changing so much, it would be silly to do that work and have to change that too) - when we do, I'll post here. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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::::Update: the armor lists are filled in, namewise - in what we believe is the DoR order. Verification would be nice once we get them all onto the same page :D -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Images, Animation, and Mouse==
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'''Examples:'''
So I had a thought - would it be at all possible to have any APNGs we upload to the wiki be frozen on the first frame - only animating if a user hovers their mouse over the image? I've seen this before around the intranetz but IDK how we would (or if we could) go about it on the wiki. Just a thought! Would be nice for new players wanting to get a good look at an item, but otherwise be un-distracted by movement on the page while they look at other things. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 07:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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*[[:Category:Armor ankle attachment]]: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like [[Splash Sarong]] for example, thats the most recent one i added).
:This looks like a topic for discussion for the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/14 wiki editors] forums. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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*[[ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer]]: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the [[:Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed]], only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
::[http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/106171 Oki doki]. If you're allowed to give staff opinion, what would be your opinion in general ;P? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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*[[Recon (MotT)]]: This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.
:::My suggestion would be to keep things as simple as possible. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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==Tabber==
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I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz [[Smitty]] was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes <code><nowiki>[[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]]</nowiki></code> so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
{{showhide|initial inquiry about tabber|content=Oh look, Nova is doing weird things on the wiki again!
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So I've been trying to make a nice...thing...that mimics a few in-game interfaces. Basically it's a tab box that:
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== Spam? ==
*doesn't link to other pages unless specified, a self-contained thing
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*provides a great way to organize things
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*and blahblah
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I poked around on our wiki and couldn't find anything anywhere that behaves like this.
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I edited [[User:Riteshpatil|this]]. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
I poked around on MediaWiki, and they have a "[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tabber tabber]" extension. Do we have this? I tried making a template but it didn't quite work, wondering if I'm just not plugging something in correctly. If we don't have this extension, would it be possible to get it? Since we're powered by MediaWiki here and all that (I have...no idea...how these things work :D...magic?)
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'''P.D:''' The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...
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:<code>Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by '''Clotho'''.
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::''Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"''</code>
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That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
So I spent some time messing around last night trying to incorporate show/hide, and the sheer pathetic level of my efforts made me laugh.
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== Another Spam user ==
  
[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Template:Help%26Documentation-GuildHall relevant derpy template 1]
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Hi~ The name of the spam user is [[User:Sohbet|Sohbet]]. I already edited their page to erase the links --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Template:Help%26Documentation-GuildHall/start relevant derpy template 2]
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I think it's clear what I'm trying to do? If not, I'll try to elaborate more. I'm talking with some friends about how to do this, and none of 'em seem to have a clue how to do it.
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EDIT: [[File:templaterequest_tabber.png]]
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Thanks for reading! -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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:OH an optional scrollbar parameter would be ideal, if possible. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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::Talked with some friends, and they said something about old MediaWiki not having the capacity for new MediaWiki things. That makes me sad D:. Messed around with it some more, and, well, the way that it's NOT working is making me laugh at least. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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:::We don't ave those extensions and it's likely they won't be implemented any time soon. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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:I showed an image I made of my "tabber dream" to several players ([http://imgur.com/uXaoqiZ image here]), and the feedback has been almost entirely positive - so I decided to make something as close to it as I could with the current wiki. Calling it... '''Item Cards''' project! ("card" since, well, it kinda looks like a cute ID card for items, doesn't it? hehe). Anyway, it's been kinda...difficult, so I've spawned several templates and deleted them quickly, this sort of thing is not going to hurt the wiki or anything like that is it? I wish I could delete pages out myself (I like to clean up my messes), but all I can do is the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> tag, which makes more work for you. Ah well. I've just noticed a lot of inconsistencies with page format around the wiki - understandable of course, with so many contributors. If I can manage to make this Card Template intuitive, flexible-yet-rigid (rigid for consistencies, flexible for experienced and inexperienced users alike), I think we'll have a very clean wiki. [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/106676 Here] is the forum thread - so we can track feedback and such. I'll update it with in-game feedback too.
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:TL;DR: Sorry about all the junk templates and trashed pages I generate in this process. I am inspired.
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:-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Icon for Crafting==
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The main wiki page has a silly icon for crafting...not been updated in a while.
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Can we replace it with something more relevant? Like [[File:Icon-rarity.png|50px]] or a greyed out version of [[File:Crafting-AlchemyMachine-Alchemy Machine icon.png|50px]] (since not all rarities are used crafting)? 
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The pickup vial is a little odd this late in the game. I think I can replace the actual image file myself, but the main page it's on doesn't allow editing, so I want to ask. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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: Changed. It may take a while for the cached image to update. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
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[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Preview_grand_finale_600x160.jpg This Image] seems a bit wonky. Idk if it's important but I just found it going through categories and I can't tag it...which makes me think it's important :O  (why is it in icky jpg eeeeew)-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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:[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Power_surge_weekend_600x160.jpg also this one]. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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Archived discussions can be found here. If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the Suggestions Forum. If you need assistance with the game, use the Support Portal.


Its this new?

Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --HikaruFER 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Should be back to normal! --Clotho (talk) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --HikaruFER 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --Matusm (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --HikaruFER 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity about wiki issues

Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.

Examples:

  • Category:Armor ankle attachment: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like Splash Sarong for example, thats the most recent one i added).
  • ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed, only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
  • Recon (MotT): This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.

I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz Smitty was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes [[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]] so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --HikaruFER 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Spam?

I edited this. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --HikaruFER 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --Clotho (talk) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --HikaruFER 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

P.D: The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...

Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Clotho.
Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"

That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --HikaruFER 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Another Spam user

Hi~ The name of the spam user is Sohbet. I already edited their page to erase the links --HikaruFER 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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