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== Noobish Questions ==
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== Newlines in templates ==
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Hello! Just wanted to give you a small warning that newline symbols at the end (or beginning) of the template are also carried to the pages that use them. It's probably easiest to illustrate on the &lt;noinclude&gt; tags at the end of the templates. While it's pretty to write <nowiki><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude></nowiki> on a new line, you also introduce here a new newline just before the noinclude tag. One way to avoid this is to write the starting &lt;noinclude&gt; on the preceding line with some text right before it. Then the newline will be within the noinclude tag and, due to what the tag does, will be present only on the template page where it will do no harm. Alternatively, you can use HTML comments to comment it out (<nowiki><!--(newline)--></nowiki>), but it's not very pretty. And of course, you can also put the <nowiki>"<noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>"</nowiki> thing whole on the preceding line and don't worry about any newlines.
  
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So, there are a few things that I'm not aware of and I don't really know where to find answers. Such a noob. xP So I guess I'll turn to you, since you seem to be a friendly type of person.
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You can also come across this issue when you use the #ifeq or similar function. The newlines they may introduce are far trickier to get rid of. Here's one I was fixing recently: [[Template:CostumeTable/Start]]. I don't want to discourage you from using these functions, just to keep in mind some of the more subtle effects they may have.
  
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1) So, my first question is, how to delete photos that are uploaded? I have uploaded one screenshot, but I'd like to remove it, since it has no place in the wiki.<br>
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The newlines are an issue when you transclude a template to another page. It hinders formating a bit. Single newline is ignored by the wiki, 2 newlines divide paragraphs and 3 or more add empty lines between the paragraphs. For example, in the [[News/2020]] page, there is one empty line between each entry (2 newlines) and everything works fine. However, if the <nowiki>{{NewsTable}}</nowiki> template would have a newline at the end, then there could be at most 1 newline between the entries (1+1=2), otherwise all of them would break a little (there would be an empty line in the last column, 1+2=3). So the newlines aren't that big of a deal, sometimes it doesn't even have to be a problem, but it's best to avoid sending them to other pages somehow.
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2) Also another photo related question. How to change their description? Instead of having silly gibberish written I'd like to have {screenshot image} written. Is it perhaps necessary to reupload the same photo and then write a different description?<br>
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3) Is there a template for Acquisition section for Vendors? I ask this because I thought since I collect Basil data, that I could help by just automatically insert this data into weapons/gear pages. But by looking at pages I realize the standard has not yet been decided or implemented. For example, [[Sacred_Snakebite_Keeper_Armor]] where it says "Vendors who sell the recipe for this item" the code is different from [[Vog_Cub_Cap]] one, not to mention [[Polaris]] which is in completely different position. You understand, right? I just wanted to be helpful by directly writing "Basil sells this item here at this Depth, and so does this dude Echo and Daxen..." in a nice formated way, since I'm already gathering this info anyway, but I should just... stay out of it, right? xD ----[[User:MissNice|MissNice]] 15:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Hey! haha ofc not! u dont have to be stay out, the more you participate the better for all :). Well, first the answers:
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Also, for testing templates I sometimes use the [[Special:Expandtemplates]] page. I use it mostly as a second editor window for testing the changes without having to modify the original template to see the results and then reverting it back after the test. The additional info there may also be useful sometimes. --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 21:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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:#You can't "delete" them, like dissapear them from the wiki, that can only be done by an admin (i guess). But if you want a file (and a page too) be deleted you add a tag <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> like this one in the description, and it would help put why are you deleting it like [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:EnergeticKnight-Sprite-Bazaar.png this one] for example. The tag add a note in the image and add the image to a category of [[:Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion|Candidates for deletion]] but after that, theres nothing one can do.<br>
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:#And now, how to edit description. Well you just simple need to open the image/file page and at the top there is a label "Edit" like pages. With that you can change its description (thats where you put the tags). You dont need to reupload it unless you want to change the name, for example: File:Number_1-Example is the name but you want to change it for: File:Example-Number_1.png, in that case you need to re-upload cuz you cant move files like you can move pages.<br>
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:#There is a main template (see the links [[User_talk:HikaruFer/proyects1|here]], (2º) Second Phase > Main Templates). A resume is that i was working in the Spanish wiki, fixing the item's page, when i ask [[User:Novaster|Novaster]] about why some pages have the [[Template:Page/Weapon|order]] and other doesn't, he said to me that i was planned to do a big acquisition's template first with all items so later it would be implemented. As i want to make the Spanish's wiki look better, i decide to help here first and then go to the Spanish to translate. I started checking all acquisition resources (like Hall of Heroes's vendors, Strangers, Boxes, bundles, and etc) and help put them all in the main template (which later decided to split in all those link you just saw in my talk page) but Basil's information was old and Novaster though it would be better to check it and updated first, add it to the templates and then implemented it in the pages. I said i could help with missions lobbies but not really with arcade, so that's when your help was asked :). You have gathered all that info of Basil and, even when i already have the Mission lobby's data, i mainly needed the Basil's arcade data and when i read you were going with that i was like: YAY!. I know is a tedious work to check the wares of basil in arcade so you dont need to hurry about that, after you take your time and have all the info where you can really said "well, thats all" then we can start adding that data to the main templates. I ask Novaster about it and told me that we can implemented if after we have all the data.
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:The way you are adding data to your user page is great :3! Is sorted and organized! I suggest we can follow the advice of Novaster, wait for all the data and then start adding them to the template, but you too need to give your opinion :P. In the case you would like to add the data directly to the templates, here is the "format" we follow:
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:Ohhh yeah, do u think it matters in the "fix" i been doing to the bosses page? (like, take [[Snarbolax]] for example). Since i did it like this to avoid a visual mess xd, i got lost looking for an specific word being all cramped. I remembered to dont add a newline at the [[Template:Boss]] when adding the auto-categories :D, that ended up fine right?. And in no way i find ur msg discouraging, i like to learn~ and as i said i forgot many of the "rules" for the templates so i only edit them if i want to test a fix or add something i think its needed; im guilty of using the "enter" key too much sometimes, its a mania xd i try to just add one between each <code>}} {{</code> just so i or any other wikieditor dont get lost between each entry (like the news/2020) but when i edit a template i (most of the time) have to test if everything ended up fine, like, when i shorted the APNG's template and earsed a newline and then the boxes glued each other badly so i was like "oh kk that was there for a reason" *manually revert* xd. Next time im gonna try the special template u mention :D.
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:Feel free to leave me more msgs like this~ [[User:HikaruFer|HikaruFer]] ([[User talk:HikaruFer|talk]]) 21:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  
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:'''For Arcade only''' = <nowiki>*{{Basil|star=#|only=yes/no}}</nowiki>
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::Yes, it matters in this case. You've introduced a newline at the end of the Boss template, so now the boss pages have one empty line at the beginning. If you edit the Snarbolax page, remove one newline that follows the Boss template and preview it, the empty line at the beginning should disappear. But of course, this should be fixed in the template, not pages. :P
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::The 2 newlines between news entries are fine, even newlines inside the templates may be fine. The only issue are newlines near beginning and end of the template. I like when the templates are nicely readable, too, but often it's because of weird rules like these that you can't make the templates look very pretty. This one rule specifically is responsible for the long <nowiki><includeonly><noinclude></nowiki> chains at the ends. But it's also thanks to this rule that you can put that many enters between entries. :D --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 23:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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:::OHHH i saw it xdd i didnt notice it, i mean, not that it was due a newline in the template xd. jajaja its funny how that simple "enter" caused that xd. Now it looks prettier :D~. Thx for telling me this way~ if u edit it i wouldnt have understand where and why that newline caused what it did [[User:HikaruFer|HikaruFer]] ([[User talk:HikaruFer|talk]]) 23:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  
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:'''For Arcade and Mission Lobby''' = <nowiki>{{Basil|star=#|only=yes/no}}, lobby of the {{mission|NAME}} and {{mission|NAME}} (unbound)</nowiki>
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::::No problem. I'm happy it worked out well. :) --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 00:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  
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:'''For Mission Lobby only (i doubt it but can happen, who knows)''' = <nowiki>[[Basil]] - Lobby of the {{mission|NAME}} and {{mission|NAME}} (unbound)</nowiki>
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== Tile minimaps ==
  
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:The "only=" is if the recipe is only acquired in the Arcade, i took care of (i think) all the only-recipe of basil, so mostly would be "no" but you may check anyway. I talked with Novaster about the "order" (you can see [[User_talk:HikaruFer/proyects1|here]] (1º) First Phase > Acquisiton 1.0 >  Order of the Information) so all the actual data in the templates follow that.
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Hello! I'd like to know if those minimap images you've uploaded are from the game (stored image files) or if you recreated them from scratch with image manipulation software?
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[[:File:Map-Ironclaw_Munitions_Factory-Warfare_Workshop.png|Example]] --[[User:Spockler|Spockler]] ([[User talk:Spockler|talk]]) 04:44, 12 May 2020 (EEST)
  
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:Thats basically all (long post, sorry) if you have any other question, ask without problem :). I will do my best to help you, Novaster is the one who knows (almost) every detail of the wiki format xD but i can share what i have learned :). Take care~ '''P.D:''' I forgot to add, [[Sacred Snakebite Keeper Armor]] and those armor related have their [[Template:GunnerArmor|own template]] which is done (as i saw) so dont need to worry about those :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:40, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Hello there~ The ones i have done are all with image manipulation software, i take screens in-game of the map, put them together with the software, then i use a selection tool to create all the shapes, and then i add the icons (from the games files, which are the same as the ones here in the wiki). Sadly, the maps seen in-game are generated by the game itself so there aren't images files of them and those had to be done manually :( --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 02:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Thanks a lot for telling me all this, it sets me on the right direction. =) Cheers! --[[User:MissNice|MissNice]] 16:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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== Report - September 2015 ==
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::I must point out that these maps are very well done and no doubt recreating them took a lot of time and effort. You even got the collision right with the pixel precision on these maps that are missing some tiles on the edges! I assume you're also using Tudey scene editor for this job, as most of the map can't be captured by the minimap view distance?
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::Also, I wonder if scene (level) IDs are welcome in this wikipedia as technical trivia? I've studied game levels for quite a while and I could add their IDs to their respective articles, as there are some interesting things going on behind the scenes (pun intended). However I'm not sure if such data is welcome here as Grey Havens might see it as a possible threat to the game (as they sometimes do) even though they aren't monitoring wikipedia (at all). --[[User:Spockler|Spockler]] ([[User talk:Spockler|talk]]) 15:21, 12 May 2020 (EEST)
  
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A few things you might want to know.
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:::Thanks! Not only me has done some of theses map btw :), i have done a few. I took screens of the big map, the minimap its extremely tiny to make it work, its posible but too bothersome xd, so with a few images-screen i can complete the guide for the whole map.
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* I've added Brinks's Inventory to my data list. I noticed you were working on his page so I figured you could use some fresh juicy data. =) >> [[User:MissNice#Brinks]] << It is a screenshot and not written form like I usually do, because there's just a ton of items and cause some of them are bind on purchase and some are not bind on purchase, so a visual representation of his inventory seemed like a better option for you to use. You can now use this and update Brinks's webpage. =)
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:::And, you mean IDs as game files? like "Starlight Cradle's map is generated with this game file"? if its that, im not gonna lie, that would be interesting to check but doesnt have space in the wiki sadly :(, they (Grey Havens) had said they prefer static maps (like the one in Apocrea's mission or Sanctuary) to not be uploaded in the main space of the wiki since they give the static efect in-game for a reason, theres still these images around but not in the main space. You know now that u mention it, [[User:Novaster|Novaster]] once mentioned that someone wrote a script to make these map images easier but i never got to ask them about it, do u know something about that? --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 17:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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* Also added Greave, Kragen, Ricasso, Quillion and Vatel Inventory data. But unlike Brinks, they have some items that show up randomly, so they need to be monitored for a while to place all items in there. I hope this is to your liking. =) Cheers! --[[User:MissNice|MissNice]] 16:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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:OH yes yes! And a million yes! This is what i needed to do :3 specially Brinks and Vatel are the most who need it. I liked the way you add you, useful, less work and sorted. Im gonna add after finish my meal. Thx alot x3! Take care and really good job! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:11, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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::::'''> And, you mean IDs as game files?'''
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::Awesome, glad you like it! --[[User:MissNice|MissNice]] 10:35, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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::::No, as scene file names (e.g. 1 for Haven: Town Square or 393 for Starlight Cradle: Shrine of Slumber IV). I don't want to upload files themselves or maps of procedural levels, but just IDs.
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::::'''> [[User:Novaster|Novaster]] once mentioned that someone wrote a script to make these map images easier, do u know something about that?'''
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::::Unfortunately no, but there's the Super Zoom mod that allows you to move camera to sky-high to get the top-down view. Minimap is aligned with the 3D tilemap, but it's not 1:1 size. It might still be useful, tho. --[[User:Spockler|Spockler]] ([[User talk:Spockler|talk]]) 19:56, 13 May 2020 (EEST)
  
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== Monstrous Codexes ==
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:::::As for the IDs it sounds like something you can share in discord and/or the forums since some ppl may find it useful but here in wiki theres no much pages relating to the code sadly, i mean, at least on the main space D:.
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:::::I dont usually use mod but in case i have troubles with maps i may try it :D (but, dunno where to look tho? do u have some link or a google keyword?) although most of the mapd are done (for what i have seen recently) --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 18:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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The Trojan's Monstrous Codex is found in Blades of the Fallen (right before Trojan fight) and the Zombie's Monstrous Codex is found in The Rotting Metropolis (level start). --[[User:Snarbylord|Snarbylord]] 17:31, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Here's the [https://sites.google.com/view/spiralknights-mods/home link] to the mods page. There's also a invitation link to [https://github.com/lucas-allegri/KnightLauncher KnightLauncher] modloader Discord group (where are even more mods listed). I'm also in this group. In case you want to contact me, my username starts with 'Thy'. --[[User:Spockler|Spockler]] ([[User talk:Spockler|talk]]) 19:01, 14 May 2020 (EEST)
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:Saw you already add them to their pages. Thx alot! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC individual vs. multiple==
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:::::::Thx! Im gonna check then out them~ --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 19:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hey there, still on vacation, but I had a moment here. If the NPC is a type of NPC, it needs to be in list format. For example, Nature Sprites and Spiral Wardens are types of NPCs, while "Virgil" is the name of a spiral warden type NPC. The difference becomes difficult to discern when the representatives of an NPC "species" or "race" or "type" don't have their own names, simply using the npc type in the dialogue box. I set up a demo format on [[Lost Soul of Almire]] and [[Lost Soul (Skull)]] pages, hoping to improve on the [[stranger]] page format (Which is horribly out of date and should not be redirected to "strangers", and be "Stranger," as per wiki MoS), but didn't get to it before vacation. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Hey Nova~! Well [[User:Thepc|Thepc]] warning me about it, but i didnt know Nature Sprite would be in list format. I wanted to left Spiral Warden at the end to make it good. I can leave Spiral Warden and Nature Sprite as list (aaaaand dunno if would be the same with Knight, Gremlins, Bosses and etc) but i didnt get it, should i change Strangers for Stranger (move the page) and list ALL strangers there? BUT their pages remain the same? as Individuals? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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'''P.D.:''' Bosses remain with Boss template or should i change? Feels like to change it but dunno --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br>
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'''P.D:''' [[Strangers]] is that what you were saying? x//x --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 07:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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::It's looking like my vacation is going to be cut short, so, you can just leave it till then. Should be half a week or so before I get back. Maybe Thurs. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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:::Ohh i see, that was pretty short :o! Well i will keep doing a few things then :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm just staring at recent changes procrastinating doing laundry. I will likely get to polishing the NPC stuff later today or tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:07, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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==Old design==
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:Hey there x3! haha i imagine! Was looking foward to it x3! But take your time, today im working in the spanish wiki and tomorrow i will be busy so i will can't <!-- Will can't doesnt sound like a good word buuuut i cant remember the correct one xD --> help you. Eat, rest so tomorrow you will be frash and ready :o! haha --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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I can't believe I missed out [https://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Jade-Hikaru-Playing_2014-2.png old minimap and Shadow Fire designs] by just two months. When I crash-landed on July 6, 2014 there were already a new particle effect used of Shadow Fire and improved color scheme for minimap. --[[User:Spockler|Spockler]] ([[User talk:Spockler|talk]]) 01:30, 29 May 2020 (EEST)
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:Hahaha yeah, fun fact its i played in May and didnt remember it had the old desing, even the fire in the traps xd and when i came back in October, it already had the new design but i didnt noticed anything. It was yesterday looking through my screens that i realized xd --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 23:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  
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[[Vaelyn|Boop]]. So NPCs that don't use equipment (knights or otherwise) would just use a paragraph format to describe them within the new [[:Template:Appearance]], similar to but not as involved as, say, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Biology this description of Bulbasaur on Bulbapedia]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:30, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgSDjQHPHy8&list=OLAK5uy_ke2LQJyD_uRh89sOjzIISOUQqAsfW_gkU Crash Course] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWIcLWi2K1M&list=OLAK5uy_kk6j3jMYDBO6HJqBr6KZ8m9LvX_uLru8c&index=17 Spiral Knights Main Theme] are actually two different similar sounding tracks. Crash Course is only used for the tutorial. --[[User:Leafblader|Leafblader]] ([[User talk:Leafblader|talk]]) 09:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Seems good to me :D but i find "redundant" the ''<nowiki>(Icon) [[Armor]]: Information</nowiki>'' what about ''<nowiki>(Icon *with link and alttext*): Information</nowiki>''. Icons speak for themselves aaaaand in a weird case that someone doesnt know what that icon means, they can click and the link page will tell them. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::The Sword, as i read the main list of swords, its the "main" weapon of Spiral Knight, so i think the sword icon is perfect :P! And yes ^^ seems good to me, maybe the : is annoying now that is only the icon without the link. But dunno how you see it --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::EDIT: Ahhh i think they look pretty great now :D --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::Okay, cool...I have no preference regarding the colons, so, I'll remove them. I'm just used to using colons in this fashion. Since it's my mess and fiddling, I'll fix the NPC pages with this new format. It's just moving around what's already there, but it's still work that I've generated. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::It is true but i prefer that than an unorganized format :3 i might help you later with some of the NPCs page --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Your transparencies for the NPCs are fantastic. I imagine those will take up enough time xD --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::Thank you ^//^! Hahaha they will, but mostly those that doesnt have a mugshot but a store window, like Bulky and Brinks, those are tedious for not having a "fixed" size so i have to compared them to see if it works, and hate to trace they names xD (why Sullivan, why u have such a long title)- Oh that reminds me, what do you though about "titles" for NPCs? like Sullivan, would be like ''<nowiki>[[Pit Boss]]: Coliseum Rewards Supervisor</nowiki>'' instead of just "Vendor", something that, you can add vendor so the template add the category but if the NPC have a title, like Sullivan or Ricasso, will show that one instead --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::Something like <nowiki>[[Pit Boss]]: [[Vendor|Coliseum Rewards Supervisor]]</nowiki> should work. NPCs can call themselves whatever they want, they're still stingy vendors with terrible prices! :P. I'm thinking we should add a small opinion tag like so: {{Note-VendorEconomics}} that says "{{opinion/small}}: It is often cheaper to obtain the recipe for an item and craft it than it is to buy it from a vendor." --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::So we just need to add the subtitle parameter to the pages, i think, im just giving an idea cuz in the end, you are the one who could do the code cuz i failed miserable trying to fix a single px problem x//D. The Note could be added in the Vendor pages instead of each NPC i think :P --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::Wew, tired. More tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::I think adding the subtitle bit could potentially be confusing, since there's so many different kinds. To resolve the potentially never-ending adjustment of SK's updates/dynamic "status quo," I've removed several switches and allowed manual override of the intro phrase, this way, things are a little easier to work with, but editors will have to pay a little more attention to keep things consistent. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Ohh well i was using the OST list but i didnt remember "Spiral Knight Main Theme" was in there the first time i check it xd (i went to check right now just to be sure). I noticed the track was similar but not identical to the bgm in the game but stick to "Crash Course" since i thought the other one was not part of the OST :O --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 01:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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==Hidden Vending Machines==
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Hey, just to clear some things up... I can understand that the image of those Vending Machines can be confusing and seem out of context, but that's why I called them "hidden Vending Machines". Note stated that they cannot be seen nor interacted, but they've existed since the introduction of Arcade Battle Arena. It's for the historical purposes. I suppose it doesn't really belong in the gallery, as images of older content on other articles are on the right side of the page. --[[User:Spockler|Spockler]] ([[User talk:Spockler|talk]]) 01:58, 21 June 2020 (EEST)
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:Oh, i was looking at the recent changes to see what switches did you mean, i think i know which ones now xD. I like it now! Much better i think, the "role" is more importante alone than with the "NPC:". And about the galliers, yeah those were a bit redundant (and kinda long xD) i was going to said the "PAGENAME" would be redundant too buuut without it, i dunno, it doesnt look good. I vote for what you proposed: <nowiki>"PAGENAME" in (the) [[PLACE]]</nowiki>. Will going to change it in the format template :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Sorry for the late reply, im away from the wiki, just checking every few weeks. As for the image, i assumed the hidden would mean some misunderstanding since hidden could mean "find it" in-game but not hidden "within the code". So to avoid that i prefer it to move it from the main space --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 04:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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:PD: oh and about titles, is a shame :( i dunno i like those titles! But what you said makes sense --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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::Thanks :). The [[Spiral Warden]] page took a lot more work than I thought it would (had to find proof for eeeeeeverything and I'm still very uncertain about the release dates). I'm logging off the wiki for today, well, regarding major edits. There's still more work to be done with the page, especially with images and individual page format (nobody made a page for [[Virgil]]?!), which I probably won't get to for a while, but I'll try tomorrow. Have fun! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hold on there, we're working on a master acquisition template remember? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:21, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Hahaha did you read my mind? haha i was thinking about that this exact second, was going to look for my files and be sure xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:23, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Do we create Trinket/Acquisition or add them in Misc? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:24, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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::What do you think is best? I think Trinket/Acquisition, even though there's not many of them, they do have their own arsenal section. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:31, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::Misc seems like an option, but, to be correctly sorted, Trinket/Acquisition its the best, i mean, what is another template for this wiki? also know this could help in the future --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::Go for it wooo. This opal stuff might take a while to get pics of, I have a feeling not many will be unboxed. Also I have a tummy ache. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Okay then~ Btw, i have to admit Opal Aura looks cool, but im kinda sad its just prize box what the game is giving :(! Later i could do the "new prize box"'s work to help you. Rest for your ache :) sure is annoying D: --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Yeah I'm going to go do that. Only edit if it's fun, it's not fun for me right now xD --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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Merp, opinion on [[Template talk:Eventexpired|this]]? In short, it doesn't make sense to have it for certain things and not others, and it interrupts the flow of a page in an unneeded manner. I only support the reskin tag because it might save players some actual cash to get the less expensive version. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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: Just left a vote :3 i usually forgot discussions pages exist outsite user's pages xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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Do you mind if I (or you) stick the resolved issues into showhides on clotho's talk page? Since we bombard Clotho with so many requests, this helps them keep track of what's done and what's worked-on-but-not-done-yet etc. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:59, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Sounds good, i can keep it in mind for the future. We can help with that so Clotho can add them to archives later :). I dont think it would be bad. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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::Yeah I had [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANovaster&diff=213310&oldid=212621 a specific talk about it in the past] :). --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:07, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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I'm thinking we remove the bullets if there's only one (non-trading/Auction House) method of acquisition. The [[Arcane Salamander Suit]] looks a little silly. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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:We can remove the bullet if the method is just one? and not with a selling vendor (item/recipe)? The Note (in the arcane suit) with the bullet does look silly xD looks like "incomplete" ahaha --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 17:39, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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I think I've worked out a solution for our recent upsets. Looking over [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/User_talk:Clotho#Duplicate_Icon_Issue this] and providing some perspective on Clotho's talk page would help push the policy into review stage, to be rejected/modified/accepted. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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:It is a good idea actually. I just leave my opinion :). Hope this could be made so users understand that, even if we know its a mistake, they dont get mad for the change. For later, more than a tutorial, we can add an "SpiralKnight:" page for the user page (with the policy is approved). To be honest, being new here, couldnt find the page where it help you do a user page, it took me a while to find it, maybe because  "tutorial" wouldnt be a good name for me, but something like a "SpiralKnight:" page WITH the tutorial inside, we can add the categories that have the icons usefull for the pages. Hope this advance :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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:'''P.D:''' not related but all those mistake in the disguise box was me haha. Sorry i tried my best within the new box of items, it was way easy with the autumn prize box x//D --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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::Thanks :). Don't worry about it...I think we all know prize boxes are all kinds of silly. Even the forum admins :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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I am pretty swamped with several disguise box visuals. Would you mind doing some of the edits to update [[The Dark Harvest]] page to our current mission page format standards? Unless you have other plans. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Not a problem~ Gonna upload some preview and new tooltips im cutting and do it :). I was going to tell you that the costumes (in Maskwell) doesnt have tooltip (just authentic spookat mask and authentic scarab mask), i already have the preview images but not the tooltip (im still not so good with APNG) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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::I talked to him on steam about it and looks like he's doing it :). Thanks for doing the mission page. I am suuuuper tired. Busy wiki day. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::Yeah :D saw he upload them. Yay for completing galleries~ Btw, the second floor of The Dark Harvest does have a name, when i get up to the elevador it show, even take a screen to write it without typos. With Spanish, it have the same title (but ofc, in spanish) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::Each icon has its own naming system, I don't think the entire floor has its own name. But then again I'm half asleep. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Oh well now that u mention i got twice Graveyard so i cant be sure xD Hope i get another map tomorrow so i can check. Go to sleep then~ Im probably going to do the same in a while, this week some workers have been destroying my sleep ._. . Have a good nite~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::You can check the gate map of the expedition you're in via the little bottom right menu. The wrench? Too tired to remember/check. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Wowee it's unusual for a gate map. It seems to be different based on rank. We are collecting data [[Talk:The Dark Harvest/Gate Map|here]].--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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On another note, it would be prudent to get those NPC shots while they're here. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Yeah, this is weird (the different gate map for rank) and maybe im dumb but i wouldnt know the "gate map" in the interface if it wasnt for you xD i test it, i didnt know it was there ._. . Oh and, if you mean Bulky and Maskwell Mugshots (or, store windows in this case) i already took ones for each ^^! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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::Hurray! And don't worry, a lot of ppl don't know about gate maps. But that makes the wiki even more useful, I think. And players can still use mission gate maps on the wiki to remember or determine what's in the depth of a mission someone else has started, that you want to join and help with, even if you already know how to use the gate map in-game. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:40, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::I tought you had to go and test each map to see the name and the gate-icon haha silly me xD. It does help alot the gate map here, is faster :D! Oh and, didnt know the little Muerty exist, i gonna take a mugshot of him too, but i think i can use the image you already uploaded :P i will have to figure out how to make that "white aura" around him without destroying it. Btw, about Muerty, Muerty's name may be an alussion? you see, Muerte is Death in spanish so "Muerty" sounds like a diminutive of Muerte. "Muerty" sounds like some spanglish name, some kind of alias xD. Dunno what you think. Sometimes i see people who speak english said "muerte" soooo i dunno.
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::::Oh gosh yes add that, in a similar format to [[Tenzhill]]'s page. Also your last edit added 666 characters LOL. Too spooky. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:51, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::I was going to add more characters but a misterious force tell me to not :o! hahhahaa ok no xD. Ok so im going to x3! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:54, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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Done~ Btw, talking about allusions, im pretty sure the new Smashing Moustache is a reference to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iKrTNX6OE Nigel Thornberry]'s meme. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iKrTNX6OE I've been wondering about how to word it]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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:I had a go at it. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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::It seems good to me :D! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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Newlines in templates

Hello! Just wanted to give you a small warning that newline symbols at the end (or beginning) of the template are also carried to the pages that use them. It's probably easiest to illustrate on the <noinclude> tags at the end of the templates. While it's pretty to write <noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude> on a new line, you also introduce here a new newline just before the noinclude tag. One way to avoid this is to write the starting <noinclude> on the preceding line with some text right before it. Then the newline will be within the noinclude tag and, due to what the tag does, will be present only on the template page where it will do no harm. Alternatively, you can use HTML comments to comment it out (<!--(newline)-->), but it's not very pretty. And of course, you can also put the "<noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>" thing whole on the preceding line and don't worry about any newlines.

You can also come across this issue when you use the #ifeq or similar function. The newlines they may introduce are far trickier to get rid of. Here's one I was fixing recently: Template:CostumeTable/Start. I don't want to discourage you from using these functions, just to keep in mind some of the more subtle effects they may have.

The newlines are an issue when you transclude a template to another page. It hinders formating a bit. Single newline is ignored by the wiki, 2 newlines divide paragraphs and 3 or more add empty lines between the paragraphs. For example, in the News/2020 page, there is one empty line between each entry (2 newlines) and everything works fine. However, if the {{NewsTable}} template would have a newline at the end, then there could be at most 1 newline between the entries (1+1=2), otherwise all of them would break a little (there would be an empty line in the last column, 1+2=3). So the newlines aren't that big of a deal, sometimes it doesn't even have to be a problem, but it's best to avoid sending them to other pages somehow.

Also, for testing templates I sometimes use the Special:Expandtemplates page. I use it mostly as a second editor window for testing the changes without having to modify the original template to see the results and then reverting it back after the test. The additional info there may also be useful sometimes. --Matusm (talk) 21:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Ohhh yeah, do u think it matters in the "fix" i been doing to the bosses page? (like, take Snarbolax for example). Since i did it like this to avoid a visual mess xd, i got lost looking for an specific word being all cramped. I remembered to dont add a newline at the Template:Boss when adding the auto-categories :D, that ended up fine right?. And in no way i find ur msg discouraging, i like to learn~ and as i said i forgot many of the "rules" for the templates so i only edit them if i want to test a fix or add something i think its needed; im guilty of using the "enter" key too much sometimes, its a mania xd i try to just add one between each }} {{ just so i or any other wikieditor dont get lost between each entry (like the news/2020) but when i edit a template i (most of the time) have to test if everything ended up fine, like, when i shorted the APNG's template and earsed a newline and then the boxes glued each other badly so i was like "oh kk that was there for a reason" *manually revert* xd. Next time im gonna try the special template u mention :D.
Feel free to leave me more msgs like this~ HikaruFer (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it matters in this case. You've introduced a newline at the end of the Boss template, so now the boss pages have one empty line at the beginning. If you edit the Snarbolax page, remove one newline that follows the Boss template and preview it, the empty line at the beginning should disappear. But of course, this should be fixed in the template, not pages. :P
The 2 newlines between news entries are fine, even newlines inside the templates may be fine. The only issue are newlines near beginning and end of the template. I like when the templates are nicely readable, too, but often it's because of weird rules like these that you can't make the templates look very pretty. This one rule specifically is responsible for the long <includeonly><noinclude> chains at the ends. But it's also thanks to this rule that you can put that many enters between entries. :D --Matusm (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
OHHH i saw it xdd i didnt notice it, i mean, not that it was due a newline in the template xd. jajaja its funny how that simple "enter" caused that xd. Now it looks prettier :D~. Thx for telling me this way~ if u edit it i wouldnt have understand where and why that newline caused what it did HikaruFer (talk) 23:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
No problem. I'm happy it worked out well. :) --Matusm (talk) 00:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Tile minimaps

Hello! I'd like to know if those minimap images you've uploaded are from the game (stored image files) or if you recreated them from scratch with image manipulation software? Example --Spockler (talk) 04:44, 12 May 2020 (EEST)

Hello there~ The ones i have done are all with image manipulation software, i take screens in-game of the map, put them together with the software, then i use a selection tool to create all the shapes, and then i add the icons (from the games files, which are the same as the ones here in the wiki). Sadly, the maps seen in-game are generated by the game itself so there aren't images files of them and those had to be done manually :( --HikaruFER 02:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I must point out that these maps are very well done and no doubt recreating them took a lot of time and effort. You even got the collision right with the pixel precision on these maps that are missing some tiles on the edges! I assume you're also using Tudey scene editor for this job, as most of the map can't be captured by the minimap view distance?
Also, I wonder if scene (level) IDs are welcome in this wikipedia as technical trivia? I've studied game levels for quite a while and I could add their IDs to their respective articles, as there are some interesting things going on behind the scenes (pun intended). However I'm not sure if such data is welcome here as Grey Havens might see it as a possible threat to the game (as they sometimes do) even though they aren't monitoring wikipedia (at all). --Spockler (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2020 (EEST)
Thanks! Not only me has done some of theses map btw :), i have done a few. I took screens of the big map, the minimap its extremely tiny to make it work, its posible but too bothersome xd, so with a few images-screen i can complete the guide for the whole map.
And, you mean IDs as game files? like "Starlight Cradle's map is generated with this game file"? if its that, im not gonna lie, that would be interesting to check but doesnt have space in the wiki sadly :(, they (Grey Havens) had said they prefer static maps (like the one in Apocrea's mission or Sanctuary) to not be uploaded in the main space of the wiki since they give the static efect in-game for a reason, theres still these images around but not in the main space. You know now that u mention it, Novaster once mentioned that someone wrote a script to make these map images easier but i never got to ask them about it, do u know something about that? --HikaruFER 17:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
> And, you mean IDs as game files?
No, as scene file names (e.g. 1 for Haven: Town Square or 393 for Starlight Cradle: Shrine of Slumber IV). I don't want to upload files themselves or maps of procedural levels, but just IDs.
> Novaster once mentioned that someone wrote a script to make these map images easier, do u know something about that?
Unfortunately no, but there's the Super Zoom mod that allows you to move camera to sky-high to get the top-down view. Minimap is aligned with the 3D tilemap, but it's not 1:1 size. It might still be useful, tho. --Spockler (talk) 19:56, 13 May 2020 (EEST)
As for the IDs it sounds like something you can share in discord and/or the forums since some ppl may find it useful but here in wiki theres no much pages relating to the code sadly, i mean, at least on the main space D:.
I dont usually use mod but in case i have troubles with maps i may try it :D (but, dunno where to look tho? do u have some link or a google keyword?) although most of the mapd are done (for what i have seen recently) --HikaruFER 18:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Here's the link to the mods page. There's also a invitation link to KnightLauncher modloader Discord group (where are even more mods listed). I'm also in this group. In case you want to contact me, my username starts with 'Thy'. --Spockler (talk) 19:01, 14 May 2020 (EEST)
Thx! Im gonna check then out them~ --HikaruFER 19:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Old design

I can't believe I missed out old minimap and Shadow Fire designs by just two months. When I crash-landed on July 6, 2014 there were already a new particle effect used of Shadow Fire and improved color scheme for minimap. --Spockler (talk) 01:30, 29 May 2020 (EEST)

Hahaha yeah, fun fact its i played in May and didnt remember it had the old desing, even the fire in the traps xd and when i came back in October, it already had the new design but i didnt noticed anything. It was yesterday looking through my screens that i realized xd --HikaruFER 23:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

"Crash Course" vs "Spiral Knights Main Theme"

Crash Course and Spiral Knights Main Theme are actually two different similar sounding tracks. Crash Course is only used for the tutorial. --Leafblader (talk) 09:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Ohh well i was using the OST list but i didnt remember "Spiral Knight Main Theme" was in there the first time i check it xd (i went to check right now just to be sure). I noticed the track was similar but not identical to the bgm in the game but stick to "Crash Course" since i thought the other one was not part of the OST :O --HikaruFER 01:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hidden Vending Machines

Hey, just to clear some things up... I can understand that the image of those Vending Machines can be confusing and seem out of context, but that's why I called them "hidden Vending Machines". Note stated that they cannot be seen nor interacted, but they've existed since the introduction of Arcade Battle Arena. It's for the historical purposes. I suppose it doesn't really belong in the gallery, as images of older content on other articles are on the right side of the page. --Spockler (talk) 01:58, 21 June 2020 (EEST)

Sorry for the late reply, im away from the wiki, just checking every few weeks. As for the image, i assumed the hidden would mean some misunderstanding since hidden could mean "find it" in-game but not hidden "within the code". So to avoid that i prefer it to move it from the main space --HikaruFER 04:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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