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Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]].  '''If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum] instead.  If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the [[Support Portal]] to get help.'''
  
 
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==Sprite Image==
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My goodness, that is really bad! I thought for sure that would work. Would it be prudent to give a warning near the gallery about the visual problems/appearance on the [[Maskeraith (Snarblepup)]] page until sufficient time has passed? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 
My goodness, that is really bad! I thought for sure that would work. Would it be prudent to give a warning near the gallery about the visual problems/appearance on the [[Maskeraith (Snarblepup)]] page until sufficient time has passed? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 
:[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Maskeraith_%28Snarblepup%29&diff=207981&oldid=207951 I went ahead and did it] - this should save whatever trouble it might have caused. Should. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 
:[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Maskeraith_%28Snarblepup%29&diff=207981&oldid=207951 I went ahead and did it] - this should save whatever trouble it might have caused. Should. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Yes, that works, thank you. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:15, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Yes, that works, thank you. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:15, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 
::: The image seems to have updated itself for most users. Hurray. Sorry that deletion didn't clear the cache issue like I thought it would, so, won't be asking for that again. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 
::: The image seems to have updated itself for most users. Hurray. Sorry that deletion didn't clear the cache issue like I thought it would, so, won't be asking for that again. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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==Speedy Deletion: Sprite Images==
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Okay! A lot of sprite visuals have finally been updated to proper file names. A few redirects that nothing links to and files that are out of date and moved etc. should now be fully deleted as the final clean up step. As a result of this project, file names are now consistent for every sprite page, and the infobox has a consistent file name behavior with other infoboxes that portray items that have available tooltip visuals (my opinion of "equipped" for these files is one of OCD/past decisions before we had tooltips and I won't go into it). Much of this has been discussed before and is stored in your archives. This should be the last step! Several images still need updating to the full inspect window size, but they are in the new/consistent file name space. Other users are working on this too, and it's a fun project.
 
Okay! A lot of sprite visuals have finally been updated to proper file names. A few redirects that nothing links to and files that are out of date and moved etc. should now be fully deleted as the final clean up step. As a result of this project, file names are now consistent for every sprite page, and the infobox has a consistent file name behavior with other infoboxes that portray items that have available tooltip visuals (my opinion of "equipped" for these files is one of OCD/past decisions before we had tooltips and I won't go into it). Much of this has been discussed before and is stored in your archives. This should be the last step! Several images still need updating to the full inspect window size, but they are in the new/consistent file name space. Other users are working on this too, and it's a fun project.
  
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:Done! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 22:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 
:Done! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 22:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Hurray! Thanks --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Hurray! Thanks --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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==GM Images==
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Images like [[:File:Rankmission.png|this one]] and several others are protected from general editors. I have a feeling that this was due to some default setting of the account type of the user who uploaded these (where is Equinox btw? Last I saw them was [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/100777#comment-917870 here]), because it seems silly to lock most of these from editors. Gotta love un/checked boxes!
 
Images like [[:File:Rankmission.png|this one]] and several others are protected from general editors. I have a feeling that this was due to some default setting of the account type of the user who uploaded these (where is Equinox btw? Last I saw them was [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/100777#comment-917870 here]), because it seems silly to lock most of these from editors. Gotta love un/checked boxes!
  
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:[[:File:Rankmission.png|this image]] is linked from a preview post on the forum, therefore needs to be protected. If the images need updating, then replace them in the pages rather than uploading new images. If we have them linked to specific posts elsewhere, it makes sense to keep them as is for historical reasons. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 21:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 
:[[:File:Rankmission.png|this image]] is linked from a preview post on the forum, therefore needs to be protected. If the images need updating, then replace them in the pages rather than uploading new images. If we have them linked to specific posts elsewhere, it makes sense to keep them as is for historical reasons. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 21:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 
::I see...well, good to know. The above supply pack icon moves are becoming a priority for us, I think. The OCH issue is less pressing. Oh, would adding the obsolete tag be prudent? This is something we can't do if the file is protected, and is more work for you. A GM decision for the wiki I suppose. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 
::I see...well, good to know. The above supply pack icon moves are becoming a priority for us, I think. The OCH issue is less pressing. Oh, would adding the obsolete tag be prudent? This is something we can't do if the file is protected, and is more work for you. A GM decision for the wiki I suppose. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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Can we add the option to have [[:Template:Showhide]] open or closed when the page loads, while remaining closed by default? This would not change anything regarding templates already implemented, and will allow editors to do some interesting noinclude things with sub pages as well as general page organization. This template is understandably protected, so if you could add '''<nowiki>{{{state|collapsed}}}</nowiki>''' to the code if you think it's prudent, it would be appreciated. The new code would look like this:
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<pre>
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<div style="width: {{{width|60em}}}">
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<div class="NavFrame {{{state|collapsed}}}">
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  <div style="text-align:left" class="NavHead">{{{1}}}</div>
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  <div style="text-align:left" class="NavContent">
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{{{content}}}</div></div></div><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
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</pre>
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This way, editors can put "state=uncollapsed" if they wish. I have chosen the word "state" because I noticed [[:Template:SKWindow2]] uses the same, and consistency is nice. Also it makes sense.
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Thanks, --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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:: Done! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 19:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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==Supply Pack Icons==
 
==Supply Pack Icons==
A few of us are working on missions. Wow! How many years has it been since missions were introduced, and we still don't have pages for a lot of 'em! Well, better late than never.
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{{showhide|Previous "move icons" request|content=A few of us are working on missions. Wow! How many years has it been since missions were introduced, and we still don't have pages for a lot of 'em! Well, better late than never.
  
 
Please move the following to the following:
 
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: I'm getting an internal error qhen trying to move the files. It's possible the move will not be possible. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 
: I'm getting an internal error qhen trying to move the files. It's possible the move will not be possible. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 
::Okay, I shall tackle it best I can with the permissions I have. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 
::Okay, I shall tackle it best I can with the permissions I have. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
:::I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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:Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:
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*[[:File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png]]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Compact Supply Pack icon.png]]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png]]
  
 
==Operation Crimson Hammer==
 
==Operation Crimson Hammer==
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: That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 
: That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 
::That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]], protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 
::That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]], protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): ''OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.''
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
  
 
==Missions==
 
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::::Details should be in each subsection of this talk page and signed with a timestamp. Would it be better to put resolved issues in a show/hide? I remember trying to organize my pile of requests here before and it wasn't the best idea :P. Icons are resolved, they just need deletion, OCH is a major issue that many of us are worried about and feel that a subpage (a page able to be protected in full in its own right) would rectify. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 
::::Details should be in each subsection of this talk page and signed with a timestamp. Would it be better to put resolved issues in a show/hide? I remember trying to organize my pile of requests here before and it wasn't the best idea :P. Icons are resolved, they just need deletion, OCH is a major issue that many of us are worried about and feel that a subpage (a page able to be protected in full in its own right) would rectify. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Yes, using a show/hide for resolved issues is a good idea. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 19:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Yes, using a show/hide for resolved issues is a good idea. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 19:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::Alrighty! Did that. Unresolved issues remain exposed. Regarding this particular issue, "missions": Let us know if we missed anything important on the main [[Mission]] page, or didn't explain something in the way the developers want it to be understood. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
==Showhide==
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Can we add the option to have [[:Template:Showhide]] open or closed when the page loads, while remaining closed by default? This would not change anything regarding templates already implemented, and will allow editors to do some interesting noinclude things with sub pages as well as general page organization. This template is understandably protected, so if you could add '''<nowiki>{{{state|collapsed}}}</nowiki>''' to the code if you think it's prudent, it would be appreciated. The new code would look like this:
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<pre>
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<div style="width: {{{width|60em}}}">
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<div class="NavFrame {{{state|collapsed}}}">
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  <div style="text-align:left" class="NavHead">{{{1}}}</div>
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  <div style="text-align:left" class="NavContent">
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{{{content}}}</div></div></div><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
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</pre>
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This way, editors can put "state=uncollapsed" if they wish. I have chosen the word "state" because I noticed [[:Template:SKWindow2]] uses the same, and consistency is nice. Also it makes sense.
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Thanks, --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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:: Done! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 19:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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Revision as of 21:45, 20 August 2015

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Welcome to my talk page.



Archived discussions can be found here. If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the Suggestions Forum instead. If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the Support Portal to get help.

Supply Pack Icons

I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--Novaster 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:

Operation Crimson Hammer

Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:

Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.

Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).

Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?

Thanks,

--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.

--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Missions

We have been pushing improvements regarding mission page format and organization on the wiki. I notice that there are several admin-related entities on the mission page. Before we go through reformatting and merging, are there any specific things editors shouldn't remove, or that staff wishes to emphasize, on the missions page? Of specific concern to me (due to our previous discussion about this image) are subsection linking and images in relation to the forums. --Novaster 18:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead and work as you would, just be careful that important historical information gets a note, perhaps a "historical notes" section at the bottom. --Clotho 23:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Roger that. Right now the only other issues I can think of that are most important and requiring staff attention are the above Supply Pack Icons and OCH. --Novaster 00:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Phew...okay. Let us know if we missed anything important, or didn't explain something in the way the developers want it to be understood. --Novaster 19:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Can you please elaborate on what exactly is needed for the Supply Pack Icons and OCH? (I got lost somewhere!) --Clotho 19:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Details should be in each subsection of this talk page and signed with a timestamp. Would it be better to put resolved issues in a show/hide? I remember trying to organize my pile of requests here before and it wasn't the best idea :P. Icons are resolved, they just need deletion, OCH is a major issue that many of us are worried about and feel that a subpage (a page able to be protected in full in its own right) would rectify. --Novaster 00:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, using a show/hide for resolved issues is a good idea. --Clotho 19:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Alrighty! Did that. Unresolved issues remain exposed. Regarding this particular issue, "missions": Let us know if we missed anything important on the main Mission page, or didn't explain something in the way the developers want it to be understood. --Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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