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Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]].  If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum].  '''If you need assistance with the game, use the [[Support Portal]].'''
  
  
==Sprite Image==
 
My goodness, that is really bad! I thought for sure that would work. Would it be prudent to give a warning near the gallery about the visual problems/appearance on the [[Maskeraith (Snarblepup)]] page until sufficient time has passed? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 
:[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Maskeraith_%28Snarblepup%29&diff=207981&oldid=207951 I went ahead and did it] - this should save whatever trouble it might have caused. Should. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 
:: Yes, that works, thank you. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 01:15, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 
::: The image seems to have updated itself for most users. Hurray. Sorry that deletion didn't clear the cache issue like I thought it would, so, won't be asking for that again. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 
  
==Speedy Deletion: Sprite Images==
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== Its this new? ==
Okay! A lot of sprite visuals have finally been updated to proper file names. A few redirects that nothing links to and files that are out of date and moved etc. should now be fully deleted as the final clean up step. As a result of this project, file names are now consistent for every sprite page, and the infobox has a consistent file name behavior with other infoboxes that portray items that have available tooltip visuals (my opinion of "equipped" for these files is one of OCD/past decisions before we had tooltips and I won't go into it). Much of this has been discussed before and is stored in your archives. This should be the last step! Several images still need updating to the full inspect window size, but they are in the new/consistent file name space. Other users are working on this too, and it's a fun project.
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Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Should be back to normal! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  
The following files/pages need to be blasted with a laser to finish the job once and for all, and to remove any confusion future editors might have:
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:I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --[[User:Matusm|Matusm]] ([[User talk:Matusm|talk]]) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  
*[[:File:Battle Sprite Drakon Evolved.png‎]] (moved from before and super thanks! Please delete this redirect if doing so doesn't cause issues)
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== Curiosity about wiki issues ==
*[[:File:Battle Sprite Seraphynx Evolved.png‎]] (moved from before and super thanks! Please delete this redirect if doing so doesn't cause issues)
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Maskeraith Evolved.png‎]] (moved from before and super thanks! Please delete this redirect if doing so doesn't cause issues)
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Seraphynx (Black Kat) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Drakon (Gun Pup) Evolved.png‎]] (moved from before and super thanks! Please delete this redirect if doing so doesn't cause issues)
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Maskeraith (Punkin) Evolved.png‎]] (moved from before and super thanks! Please delete this redirect if doing so doesn't cause issues)
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Maskeraith (Spiralhorn) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Drakon (Divine) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Drakon (Shadow) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Maskeraith (Freeze) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Maskeraith (Snarblepup) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Maskeraith (Volcanic) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Seraphynx (Siamese) Evolved.png‎]]
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*[[:File:Battle Sprite Seraphynx (Tabby) Evolved.png‎]]
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Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.
--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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Might as well zap this one too: [[:File:Token-Cake slice.png]]. Pew pew! It has a similar flavor to the above. Went through and fixed various links so it should be good to go. Good to go AWAY. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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'''Examples:'''
:Done! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 22:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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*[[:Category:Armor ankle attachment]]: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like [[Splash Sarong]] for example, thats the most recent one i added).
:: Hurray! Thanks --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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*[[ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer]]: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the [[:Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed]], only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
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*[[Recon (MotT)]]: This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.
  
==GM Images==
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I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz [[Smitty]] was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes <code><nowiki>[[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]]</nowiki></code> so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Images like [[:File:Rankmission.png|this one]] and several others are protected from general editors. I have a feeling that this was due to some default setting of the account type of the user who uploaded these (where is Equinox btw? Last I saw them was [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/100777#comment-917870 here]), because it seems silly to lock most of these from editors. Gotta love un/checked boxes!
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We'd like to be able to update these, since it's generally preferable to update an image with a new image so file history is organized, even though the wiki has those cache issues. And they're no longer up to date. Then again, there's still images of the beta on the [http://www.spiralknights.com/media.xhtml Screenshot Section of the Main Media Page]. Yeah, we can all see that [[Angelic Helmet (Beta)]].
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== Spam? ==
  
It would probably be a lot of work for you...but I think unprotecting any image that isn't a direct [[:File:Button_cc.png|billing thing]] or [[:File:Howlitzer Concept.png|official concept art]] would be a good idea. There's a lot of them. Unless there was a reason? Well, anyway, they're still out of date. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:50, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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I edited [[User:Riteshpatil|this]]. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] ([[User talk:Clotho|talk]]) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
:[[:File:Rankmission.png|this image]] is linked from a preview post on the forum, therefore needs to be protected. If the images need updating, then replace them in the pages rather than uploading new images. If we have them linked to specific posts elsewhere, it makes sense to keep them as is for historical reasons. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 21:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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'''P.D:''' The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...
::I see...well, good to know. The above supply pack icon moves are becoming a priority for us, I think. The OCH issue is less pressing. Oh, would adding the obsolete tag be prudent? This is something we can't do if the file is protected, and is more work for you. A GM decision for the wiki I suppose. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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:<code>Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by '''Clotho'''.
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::''Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"''</code>
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That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  
==Supply Pack Icons==
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== Another Spam user ==
A few of us are working on missions. Wow! How many years has it been since missions were introduced, and we still don't have pages for a lot of 'em! Well, better late than never.
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Please move the following to the following:
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Hi~ The name of the spam user is [[User:Sohbet|Sohbet]]. I already edited their page to erase the links --[[User:HikaruFer|<b><font color="#265aa6">Hikaru</font><font color="#238e3b">FER</font></b>]] 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
*[[:File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Standard_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Standard Supply Pack.png]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Compact Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Compact_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Compact Supply Pack.png]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Deluxe_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Deluxe Supply Pack.png]
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The should show up in the table on the [[Supply Pack]] page when that page is saved after the moves.
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Reasons:
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*General: Bad filenames. These items are not equipment. Also, there is an annoying space after the hyphen. Editors should be able to use the proper linking templates. Shame on my 2013 self. Shame.
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*Every other mat has Crafting-blahblah for its name, even though not all materials are used in crafting, and even though they are icons they don't have icon in the name. Just goin with the old norm 'cause it's too much of a hassle to change these to be "right," especially when nobody sees the filename except editors and the ultra curious. Same ocd issue with BlahBlah-Equipped after tooltips were introduced. After moving the files, please delete the originals after all "what links here" are taken care of. I'll post here when that's done.
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*We want to retain file history, because some people like old icons and time stamps - a discussion we've already agreed on :)
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I'll probably ask something about OCH in a bit that involves billing on its own subpage and unprotecting the actual mission page.
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Thanks! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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: I'm getting an internal error qhen trying to move the files. It's possible the move will not be possible. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::Okay, I shall tackle it best I can with the permissions I have. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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:::I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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==Operation Crimson Hammer==
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Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and [[Operation Crimson Hammer]] (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has [[Billing]] information. My solution to this problem:
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Create the subpage: [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]] and protect that.
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Have <nowiki>{{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}}</nowiki> in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).
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Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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: That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]], protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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==Missions==
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We have been pushing improvements regarding mission page format and organization on the wiki. I notice that there are several admin-related entities on the [[mission]] page. Before we go through reformatting and merging, are there any specific things editors shouldn't remove, or that staff wishes to emphasize, on the missions page? Of specific concern to me (due to our previous discussion about [[:File:Rankmission.png|this image]]) are subsection linking and images in relation to the forums. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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::Go ahead and work as you would, just be careful that important historical information gets a note, perhaps a "historical notes" section at the bottom. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 23:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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:::Roger that. Right now the only other issues I can think of that are most important and requiring staff attention are the above Supply Pack Icons and OCH. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::::Phew...okay. Let us know if we missed anything important, or didn't explain something in the way the developers want it to be understood. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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:::Can you please elaborate on what exactly is needed for the Supply Pack Icons and OCH? (I got lost somewhere!) --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 19:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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::::Details should be in each subsection of this talk page and signed with a timestamp. Would it be better to put resolved issues in a show/hide? I remember trying to organize my pile of requests here before and it wasn't the best idea :P. Icons are resolved, they just need deletion, OCH is a major issue that many of us are worried about and feel that a subpage (a page able to be protected in full in its own right) would rectify. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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==Showhide==
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Can we add the option to have [[:Template:Showhide]] open or closed when the page loads via a switch, while remaining closed by default? This would not change anything regarding templates already implemented, and will allow editors to do some interesting noinclude things with sub pages as well as general page organization. This template is understandably protected, so if you could add '''<nowiki>{{{state|collapsed}}}</nowiki>''' to the code if you think it's prudent, it would be appreciated. The new code would look like this:
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This way, editors can put "state=uncollapsed" if they wish. I have chosen the word "state" because I noticed [[:Template:SKWindow2]] uses the same, and consistency is nice. Also it makes sense.
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Thanks, --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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Its this new?

Hey there~ im wondering... do u guyz change the "upload a file" screen xd? I know u did a maintenance yesterday but everything was the same, then right now suddenly at exactly 5am (california time) the interface for uploading a file changed. It was a delay of the corrections or u guyz implemented it at that precisely moment xd? Im just curious cuz it was so suddenly that it shocked me haha, the red and blue colors surely took my attention --HikaruFER 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Should be back to normal! --Clotho (talk) 23:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh it is :O! i didnt mean the other one was bad just that it surprise me xd, made me think "maybe it was like this before and i didnt notice?" haha. Thx for the reply! --HikaruFER 00:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I've stumbled upon it, too, after the maintenance. I've noticed both the changed upload page and additional links on the left. These things were lost when the wiki software got updated, so it was nice seeing them brought back. The reupload notice from the old upload page should stay, though. There is a problem with reuploading images and people who don't know about it often reupload the same image 3+ times thinking they messed up something when in reality they just have to wait for the wiki to update the image. --Matusm (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Matsum. The one old with the red and blue "signs" isnt bad at all and help ppl remember/know about the cache issue the wiki have; a few days ago i was explaining someone why the image wouldnt show correctly for a few days and they were pretty skeptical haha, i dont blame them, it happen xd. Oh and i saw those "additional links" on the menu too, i was convinced those were there but i forgot about it xd --HikaruFER 21:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity about wiki issues

Hello there again Clotho~ Wanted to ask, i know the wikia have some issues (the biggest one being the cache of uploaded images) but i have noticed Categories and "What links here" having an issue too but i wonder, its this like the image-upload issue that in a few days it will show correctly?. Right now i have only tested the Categories and its been more than a month and the URLs hasnt been added to said categories. I have seen things in categories that when i check the image/link, its been months since the cat was removed but when u enter the cat the url/image its still there, so now, im seeing some problem with "What links here", it doesnt update to recent changes, like, Rocket Puppy's page should show it links from "Monster/All" but it doesnt, i noticed this a few weeks but i wonder if i wait it will show? I think it will not (sadly) but want to know what u know about this.

Examples:

  • Category:Armor ankle attachment: Was created two years ago (May 2018) with a "hidden cat" tag but still doesnt hide the cat like the other categories of slot attachments, plus, it havent added the urls i have marked this past month, and they doesn't show in "What links here" either, but at least the Cat shows in the main page (like Splash Sarong for example, thats the most recent one i added).
  • ShadowTech Blue Down Puffer: Created this redirect a month ago and it still doesnt show in the Category:ShadowTech Blue-Themed, only images, for some reason, some images work and other doesnt? usually the ones created with the cat are the ones that doesnt have problems (or thats what i have seen).
  • Recon (MotT): This NPC doesnt show in its categories. I created that page recently.

I think the error its being since 2017 approx cuz Smitty was created in July 2016 and it shows in the cat. Right now thats all the examples i remember. I wanted to use the "what links here" to check which pages have the name of a monster linked and easily see if im missing some entries in "locations" of said monster (as i did with the subgeographys pages) but the Monster template have "type#name" so Rocket Puppy in the monster template makes [[Gun Puppy#Rocket Puppy|Rocket Puppy]] so everything links to Gun Puppy and its way harded to see if the link mentions a Redhover or a gun puppy, or a rocket puppy for example... i have to open every page and check. When i change the monster template to link directly to monster single names, it sill will not help me since it will not show in "What links here" :(. Dunno if its an unreported issue and maybe i can be solved? Have a nice day! --HikaruFER 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Spam?

I edited this. Its spam right? I dont know if i should add a delete tag or what to do tbh --HikaruFER 11:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is spam. Thank you for taking care of this! --Clotho (talk) 05:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Np! If i see something like that again i will edit it and let u know~ --HikaruFER 06:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

P.D: The system blocked me for a while when i re-logged after midnight. I was about to write an email for support but before send it, i checked again and i was unblocked...

Your IP adress has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Clotho.
Autoblocked because your IP adress has been recently used by "Riteshpatil"

That was part of the error's msg. I dunno why it blocked my IP and said Riteshpatil used it, its because i edited their pages? Anyway im letting u know in case the system decided to block me again haha OTL. --HikaruFER 08:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Another Spam user

Hi~ The name of the spam user is Sohbet. I already edited their page to erase the links --HikaruFER 11:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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