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This works, thank you! (no need to feel bad, I know you were just trying to help!) I've moved it to archived so this can be less confusing :) --Clotho 23:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Should I discontinue use of this template I made - it seems related but, it's not GM stuff. (Live example here). I made it because stuff like this seems to happen a lot so I thought it might be a good idea but now I'm not so sure -Novaster 14:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

That's entirely up to the wiki editors. --Clotho 16:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Icon Fixes

Went through and "fixed" rarity icons. All that's left is outdated filenames on the Supply Depot page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on Rarity page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to Supply Depot Sale stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.

Just got fed up with a switch system, but I realize this sort of "reuploading things to better names" activity isn't ideal. There's a lot of inconsistencies on the wiki when it comes to this sort of thing (materials, perks, etc), and well, I've decided that it's not worth anybody's time (certainly not mine) to "fix" this sort of issue by reuploading files to better names, when you can just make an ugly (but functional) switch. There's more reasons than time though:

1) the game could give multiple functions to a single entity, as with "buff" effects (pickup items as well as triggered by monsters on each other or battle sprites on knights is just one example) - I just fixed duplicate file issues regarding these today

2) the game could change the arsenal classification of an item to be another arsenal classification, potentially rendering filenames inaccurate, and a hassle to "fix" if there's hundreds of them. But nobody really sees filenames except editors, so inaccurate filenames of this specific kind don't matter as long as published page content is clear, right?

3) we are at risk of losing easy access to archive data using the "reupload to a better filename to fix" method. I've often used the date an original icon was uploaded to make sense of the order of events. For example, I used the file history of the accessory icons for several of the older Round Shade accessory items to try and discern the relative date Round Shades were first released (not everything has release notes or admin posts), and a few others.

In the future, I'll be sure to just deal with a messy switch that only editors who have to muck around with code have to see. I'll "fix" odds and ends that I see though, like if someone just uploads a file to ads;jkflhasdfjkh.jpg or something like that :)

should I put the above reasons in a sort of "how to wiki" guide (a few of us are planning on revamping the style guide page to be more up to date), if you think they're prudent/correct?

-Novaster 14:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed the icons. I'm not sure why you have to reupload them when it's so much easier to move the images to a better name. Just provide me with a specific list and the proposed names and I'll move them. --Clotho 16:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

because we're not allowed to move images.. it's a one line configure if you're inclined though --Icytea 17:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I do have the option - haven't tested so I'm not sure if it's bugged or not. If you give me a list, I'll move them to the right spot. That way we don't lose history or resolution. --Clotho 22:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Image Moving

Here's something to test (just capital letters) - the icons I mentioned below! Could we move the following like so:

File:Buff attack icon.png >>> File:Buff Attack icon.png

File:Buff defense icon.png >>> File:Buff Defense icon.png

File:Buff movement speed icon.png >>> File:Buff Movement Speed icon.png

File:Debuff attack icon.png >>> File:Debuff Attack icon.png

File:Debuff defense icon.png >>> File:Debuff Defense icon.png

Moved, redirects can't be suppressed at moving time, we can live with them. If more need to be done, please start a new section in this discussion page. --Clotho 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

If the test works, shall we make a tag similar to "needs updating" for all files to be moved? I'll make it so editors put the new/desired filename destination in the tag. -Novaster 23:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Unless there's already a tag like this that exists that I don't know about ;P -Novaster 23:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of. --Clotho 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll get to making that tag. I thought about tagging many of the battle sprite images with this, but a lot of these are just too much of a "mess" and need cropping anyway, so I can just do my reupload-to-fix for those. I'm pretty sure it's very clear when battle sprites came out, so we don't need to worry about archive data for these. -Novaster 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah looking at the files now, people DO have them on pages, and I don't like nosing about on personal pages unless there's something really wiki breaking. Tagging them shortly after the relevant WiP is done. -Novaster 11:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Tah Dah! < please move it move it. To make sure they got moved to the right spot, I've put a "gallery prep" on the discussion page of every sprite (Like so) - they should show up in there once saved. These galleries should force consistent naming (dashes, capitals, and all!) into the distant future. Thanks! (and yes, progression pics are missing, that's a recent project I started as of the Gun Pup release and it's a very low priority WiP)-Novaster 17:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and comment here and I've asked Gamemasters about this a long time ago specifically about deleting posts through an easy-to-use template. Their response:

About the template, as nice as it sounds, I doubt it would be any different than what we have now. GMs monitor the wiki regularly, but not constant enough to be checking that category. An in-game request is much faster!

In this sense, this makes the tag redundant. The user(s) on this wiki are able to freely re-upload images to their proper name. You can also just add the Delete Template. Doing this is much more simple than constantly asking Gamemasters to move it. Just my thoughts on it anyhow. --Acies 17:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree that as a long-term project it's not practical. However, I'm happy to help a bit - I'll take care of the images on that tag above in the next few days. If more come up, use that tag and poke me here to let me know. Please note that this is not a service that GMs are able to provide on a regular basis as our duties are many and time is short, this is a personal offer from me to the wiki editors for a short period of time. --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear, so sorry - I thought that because it is conserved in the page history it would be fine to clean up my clutter, because I post in here so much. Should I post everything back in here? -Novaster 19:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I see the major problem with this - Acies missed 75% of the conversation, which doesn't help things - I'd like to think everyone uses page history as much as I do. Just let me know what to do regarding the edits of the past week or so. -Novaster 20:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and tried to restore my "cleanups" based on history of this page. I probably made mistakes, but, I do try to do the right things, hope it helps (really hope it didn't somehow make things worse) -Novaster 21:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Question about improving icons

I like how nice and high res is.

Is there a way us editors can get our paws on higher quality versions of the following without doing heavy pixel editing ourselves (which leads to inaccuracy). These are not in game files in HQ as far as we can tell:

, , , , , , ,

If you get them, I'd like to upload them (or for them to be uploaded) to consistently lowercase letters, with only Buff or Debuff capitalized.

Thanks, -Novaster 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. The data we have available is the same that players have. --Clotho 16:42, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

More recent request:

Would it be okay for us editors to carefully attempt to make high quality versions of these as accurately as possible, since they seem to be unavailable officially? -Novaster 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)