User talk:Clotho

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Supply Pack Icons

Previous "move icons" request

A few of us are working on missions. Wow! How many years has it been since missions were introduced, and we still don't have pages for a lot of 'em! Well, better late than never.

Please move the following to the following:

The should show up in the table on the Supply Pack page when that page is saved after the moves.

Reasons:

General: Bad filenames. These items are not equipment. Also, there is an annoying space after the hyphen. Editors should be able to use the proper linking templates. Shame on my 2013 self. Shame.
Every other mat has Crafting-blahblah for its name, even though not all materials are used in crafting, and even though they are icons they don't have icon in the name. Just goin with the old norm 'cause it's too much of a hassle to change these to be "right," especially when nobody sees the filename except editors and the ultra curious. Same ocd issue with BlahBlah-Equipped after tooltips were introduced. After moving the files, please delete the originals after all "what links here" are taken care of. I'll post here when that's done.
We want to retain file history, because some people like old icons and time stamps - a discussion we've already agreed on :)

I'll probably ask something about OCH in a bit that involves billing on its own subpage and unprotecting the actual mission page. Thanks! --Novaster 20:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm getting an internal error qhen trying to move the files. It's possible the move will not be possible. Sorry! --Clotho 16:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I shall tackle it best I can with the permissions I have. --Novaster 17:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--Novaster 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:

Deleted! --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

GuildInfo

A small request - did some template cleaning and organization. Can't edit the code of Template:GuildInfo. Please add Category:Infobox templates to its <noinclude> section. --Novaster 21:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Added! --Clotho 15:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for bump in to this but i think there is (somehow) an error in the Template:GuildInfo, for some reason it add the link but not as category, maybe if add it like [[Category:blahblah]] and not like [[:Category:blahblah]] would work? --Hikaru 16:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Probably a good idea to try the template in a sandbox. Once finalized, please let me know and I'll be happy to add the final version. Thank you! --Clotho 16:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey again Clotho! I just fix the spanish template of the GuildInfo and yes, without the ":" works. Also, when you fix that, could you add <noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude> at the top of the documentation in the GuildInfo please? thx! --Hikaru 23:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Added <noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude> to Template:GuildInfo/doc. Removed the : from [[Category:Infobox templates]] in Template:GuildInfo. --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Icon Tag

Hello there Clotho~ I found that some main icons are "locked", so i cant edit them. Would you please add this exact tag {{icon image|1-arsenal}} to the following icons please?

And {{icon image|1-misc}} for these:

Thx alot~ --Hikaru 03:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Done! --Clotho 20:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Operation Crimson Hammer

Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:

Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.

Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).

Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?

Thanks,

--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.

--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll discuss this with the billing department, but I don't foresee any changes in the near future. Sorry! --Clotho 20:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, what might work for the time being is a Sandbox/Operation Crimson Hammer where you guys make all the editions you want and I'll just copy/paste the contents into the protected page. --Clotho 20:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I view this as a bandaid solution for reasons stated above (quite a hassle to do it this way if we continue to get more expansion missions). I/We'll work on that...soonish, most likely, but real life is very pressing for me these days. Let's hope billing can be flexible! --Novaster 20:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

We have another idea that might work better. I'll post here as soon as it's fleshed out. --Clotho 20:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Sounds exciting. --Novaster 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Userspace and images

I will usually politely fix file usage on individual user pages if they are using an image that has an out of date or poorly named filename, something I was uncomfortable doing because it was userspace until I talked with a few people and saw this edit by Equinox. Hikaru and I decided it would be best to upload all of the prestige icons to consistent names, and Hikaru did the uploading. We both have a few questions (simply copypasted from my talk page, so you have some context):

Questions

In which category should i put this icons? Seems like user can add them to their userpage or guild but didnt find a good cat to add them, icon image's tag should remain in-game related in my opinion. Can we create some kind of category that those who want to make an userpage/guild can check for icons? We can add the tag to the prestige icons too. I dunno tell me what u think.

For this, I'd ask Clotho what would be best to do. In the past I just slapped the copyright tag on them due to a story I read about Facebook getting upset over misuse of their logo, but there are certain CC liberties we have. A category named "External images" perhaps? --Novaster 17:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Seems like that can be :) but what about Misc images? it would be a place images that are useful but not-related to game. Externals images sounds mostly like the same so any of those can be usefull ^^ --Hikaru 22:20, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Also, to dont make another section. There is still these icons of prestige badge: That are in use. I would remplace them as they have it, only with the new format and URL buuuuut dunno if that count as rude xD --Hikaru 09:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to slap the character image tag on the ones that are in use. User pages are free format. Unless they break ToS or are using an official icon in the mainspace (they often to for equipment and guild halls, and we've changed the names of those to be more fitting in the past and I've fixed them on user pages because they needed to be deleted), we leave their pages alone. For all you know, they could WANT a blurry version, for whatever artistic reason. Put the delete tag on them if they didn't serve a purpose in the past/won't in the foreseeable future and no pages link to them. --Novaster 17:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah i put the tags in the ones i saw that didnt link anywhere but others (show here) didnt know if add delete or just icon or etc :). --Hikaru 22:20, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

In short, what should we do about the external icons regarding category tags, and do you think I should just go ahead and fix those other prestige visuals? --Novaster 20:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I will probably go ahead and just fix these, since it's not a huge issue, and we've already had someone go and upload their own because they changed their color, and I am 99% sure while 100% guessing it's because they didn't know we had the nice high quality versions, and they would know if we had fixed the file for them. --Novaster 20:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah, there's still the issue about categorizing files that are external to Spiral Knights. I remember I used to just slap the copyright tag onto them, but we went through that process already, harhar. Would this be an issue to just leave in editor hands? We ask because it seems sensitive. --Novaster 20:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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