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Basil

Greetings,

You and another user show interest in validating Basil's recipe inventory. You might want to collaborate and talk with Hikaru. I would suggest leaving a message on their talk page as well so you can get more data efficiently. ATM, we are working on overhauling acquisition, with the Basil recipe-lobby template being a separate endeavor. All the same, the data can be used for both projects. See see my talk page for small discussion. --Novaster 17:41, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Very well, I will keep in touch with Hikaru as well. For now, my plans are: using the same format as in Mission: In Cold Blood, gathering Basil's data at least once a day, checking for recipes repetition in short span of time. --MissNice 17:53, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Talk Page Format

Erm, you really should keep the talk page format the same as other talk pages on the wiki/general worldwide forums and posting areas. Ie, post, reply, reply, reply, not reply, post. Organizing it in showhides with various headers is fine, as it is a personal page after all. --Novaster 18:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Alright. :( MissNice 18:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Could I try a format I think you might like that also works in a way that lets editors talk with you easily? --Novaster 18:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead. Haha, this should be in completely separate topic. We might even end up making a talk template. xD But yeah, not the priority here. -- MissNice 18:55, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't use a template unless it was for the mainspace or to ensure consistent file naming for user images, which doesn't seem to happen a lot of the time anyway. Every once in a while I go through untagged images and you wouldn't believe the things I find. How's this format? If you get deep into editing and gain experience, you might want a top header like the one I modified on my talk page for non-staff use. Talk pages can get very cluttered so it's good you're organizing yours from the start. --Novaster 19:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort. My main idea was to place new posts on the top the page and style name and time stamp differently from the text so it's organized and eye catching, but since I should not change that, I won't change anything, at least for now. Untagged images...yeah... I'm guilty of those too, since my point of reference were, well, dozens and dozens of other untagged images. >_< I wish I saw yours sooner. -- MissNice 19:28, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Basil Lobby

Btw, i already take care of Basil lobby's recipe except Crimson Hammer Expation :) i just need a little time to add in the templates ^^ --Hikaru 01:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I see you did all of them. Good job! =) If there is something specific you want me to do, just ping me. I'll be checking ingame for the Basil recipes for now. --MissNice 09:05, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Thx ^^! Well i will be busy today and maybe tomorrow and Basil arcada's recipe is the only thing left, for only and not-only. Both need to be ready so we can use the acquisition template to start with the main list of items. If u can, as i see u said in some comment, be the BFF of Basil hahaha stalking him :V! To check the recipes he sells in arcada, do it when u can and in no hurry because i know it would be tedious. I will text u after im back. Kepp up with the good work :3! Bye~ --Hikaru 20:17, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Im Back~ Have seem the Basil Data, it is nice :D, after all is done (arcada) we should start thinking in what add and what no (adding Pickups in Basil Page can work but had to see) i am going to work a little in acquisition template to fix some details and maybe later help with mission's format --Hikaru 22:33, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Basil Data

I noticed you have this on your page:

speedrunned (10-13min) Basil twice; number of players: 1, number for recipes: 13-14, completely different list, no limit to buying X number of copies of the same recipe. Needs more testing to be sure. - User Data

• A completely different list (or lack of data) does not prove or disprove this point, hich has been true for years:

For example, if you buy a recipe from Basil on one arcade run, and manage to get to him again within a short time span (same gate or another gate, doesn't matter), he won't have the recipe you bought in stock for you (he will for other players who joined early enough) - Forums.

Emphasis on the last bit in parenthesis - this is how we know he doesn't have it. Obviously it would be very difficult to tell if he doesn't have a repeat if you're by yourself. I purposefully don't spam speedrun Basil because of it. The only specific item I remember is Dark Briar Barrage. I bought it, then started running again, a friend joined, and DBB was there for them when we got there, but not for me. The recipes were otherwise the same for both of us. And this has happened many times for different items, within the year - so I guess it could have been stealth patched? But that's why we're testing. Importantly, I do not recall if the recipes I didn't buy were there again, because I did not care about them - they weren't X, so I didn't look carefully. I'm sure you know the feeling of finding HoH recipes at Basil.

• Now, I think the main point here is disproving this:

indicating a timed universal rotation of perhaps 15-20 minutes - Forums

So Basil could still randomly select either very rapidly or per run per host (of course, never changing while players are in the terminal with him, because they'd have to "refresh" by reloading the area and well, that's not something you can do in SK without reloading the floor and in doing so you lose direct access to the floor. This makes a timed mechanic seem unlikely). We'd need to send two different players on runs in two different gates, and have them load into depth 23 at the same time to check if Basil has universal inventory, and then repeat that rapidly in case he happens to have the same stuff for both players the first time. The statistical probability of him having the same inventory is astronomically low, assuming the inventory behaves this way, but it could still happen. I have a hunch that it is actually this mechanic, not a timed universal mechanic.

• no limit to buying X number of copies of the same recipe - data

This is confirmed to be a bug, I've asked support directly about it due to an incident with Sacred Falcon Shade Armor. If this happened, it needs to be bug reported.

I am a nosy person. I'll be available for the separate-duo-run later today (unless you have enthusiastic friends you'd prefer doing it with), add me in-game. IGN is Novaster. --Novaster 17:38, 6 September 2015 (UTC)