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This page, commonly called Bopp's Sword Guide, tells you just about everything you need to know about playing with swords in the Clockworks. The advice applies to pure sworders and to people who use swords on the side, whether they're free-to-play or pay-to-play. You should also check out the semi-official Swordmaster Guide, although that guide erroneously (in my opinion) focuses on sword feel rather than damage type and size.

Basic Concepts

The primary consideration in choosing a sword (or handgun) is its damage type: normal, piercing, elemental, or shadow. Each monster family is resistant to one damage type, vulnerable to one damage type, and neutral to the other two. Hitting a monster with its vulnerable damage type gives you a small bonus, while hitting a monster with its resistant damage type incurs a large penalty. (At depth 28, the vulnerability bonus on 5-star swords is about 75 points of damage, while the resistance penalty is almost 84%. For more detail, see here.)

Monster Family	Vulnerable To	Neutral To	Resistant To
Slimes	shadow	elemental, normal	piercing
Gremlins	shadow	piercing, normal	elemental
Beasts	piercing	shadow, normal	elemental
Fiends	piercing	elemental, normal	shadow
Undead	elemental	piercing, normal	shadow
Constructs	elemental	shadow, normal	piercing

All monsters are neutral to normal damage. If you intend to use only one sword, then you might want a normal sword; see the Mixing Weapon Types section below. If you plan on using two or three swords at once, then work on one piercing sword, one elemental sword, and one shadow sword. You can always avoid monsters' resistances and usually exploit their vulnerabilities.

After damage type, the next most important consideration is probably size. Fast, dodging enemies are much easier to hit with wide, long swings than with narrow, short swings. Width and length also help you hit multiple enemies at once, which greatly increases your damage output. In this guide, each sword swing is rated as either short, medium, or long, and as either narrow, wide, or 360-degree. The scale is different for regular attacks and charge attacks; a short charge attack may be longer than a long regular attack.

Speed and knockback are also important considerations. Like width and length, speed makes fast enemies easier to hit. Speed also improves your defense, by helping you interrupt monsters, shield, and dodge. Knockback greatly aids defense, especially in crowded rooms. However, in a party you must take care not to knock monsters into your teammates (especially with charge attacks). Due to speed and knockback, different swords can actually feel different to the player. There is no reason to restrict yourself to one feel. In battle, I have no problem switching feels every few seconds.

Damage type, width, length, and speed all contribute to the monster-killing efficiency of a sword in different ways. For example, the guild Lancer Knightz has measured the damage per second (DPS) arising from comboing swords. However, other measures of damage output may be more useful in some situations. Furthermore, these damage numbers ignore status effects — fire, freeze, shock, curse, poison, stun, and sleep — which can dramatically enhance one's fighting (except for fire on oilers and shock on quicksilvers).

Mixing Weapon Types

As with swords, damage type is the primary consideration in choosing a handgun, or a mix of swords and guns. You want to carry two or three non-normal damage types and deploy them against the correct monsters to optimize your damage.

Among players who use one sword and one handgun, there are two schools of thought. A player who prioritizes flexibility might choose a normal gun and sword, so that he can use both on all targets. A player who prioritizes damage output might choose an elemental gun and a piercing sword or shadow sword. Why? Swords and bombs can have difficulty approaching turrets, especially in crowded rooms. So a sidearm gun should be especially good against turrets, and all turrets are either vulnerable (gun puppies, howlitzers) or neutral (polyps) to elemental damage. When choosing between a piercing sword and a shadow sword, consider piercing first, because fiends are really nasty and piercing swords are surprisingly good against gremlins.

Any bomb can complement a set of swords, but crowd-control bombs such as Voltaic Tempest, Shivermist Buster, Graviton Vortex, and Electron Vortex are especially popular. Once the monsters are trapped, you can hit them with a sword charge attack. Note well, however, that some swords do not charge fast enough for you to charge into your own vortex.

Summary of Swords

Even if you're currently at 2 stars, you should always plan in terms of 5-star items. Then you have less danger of getting stuck in an alchemy path that you don't want (e.g., Winmillion). Here is a summary of all of the 5-star swords, including

• Damage: damage type.
• SPC: strokes per combo.
• Combo: average width (wide W vs. narrow N vs. 360-degree T), average length (long L vs. medium M vs. short S), and status effect.
• Charge: width, length, and status.
• Move: movement speed while charging: fast (normal running speed), medium (about 10% slower), or slow (about 20% slower).
• Opinion: my view of the primary strength or purpose of the sword, that might lead you to choose it over other swords.

Name	Damage	SPC	Combo	Charge	Move	Opinion about Strength or Purpose
Leviathan Blade	normal	3	NS	TS	fast	great charge, but see Fang of Vog
Cold Iron Vanquisher	normal	3	NS	TS	fast?	great charge, but see Fang of Vog
Dread Venom Striker	normal	5	NS poison	NS poison	fast
Wild Hunting Blade	normal	5	NS	NS	fast?
Sudaruska	normal	2	WL	NL stun	slow	knockback sidearm for gunners and bombers
Triglav	normal	2	WL freeze	NL freeze	slow?	knockback sidearm for gunners and bombers
Barbarous Thorn Blade	piercing	3	NM	WS	medium	beasts, fiends
Final Flourish	piercing	3	NM	NM	medium	beasts, fiends
Fearless Rigadoon	piercing	3	NM stun	NM stun	medium?	beasts, fiends
Furious Flamberge	piercing	3	NM	NM fire	medium?	beasts, fiends
Warmaster Rocket Hammer	elemental	3	WL	WL	slow	undead, constructs (resistant to knockback)
Divine Avenger	elem+norm	2	WL	WL	slow	undead, constructs (multiple or charge)
Fang of Vog	elem+norm	3	NS fire	TS fire	fast	awesome charge
Combuster	elem+norm	3	NS	NL fire	fast	undead, constructs (single or charge)
Glacius	elem+norm	3	NS	NL freeze	fast	undead, constructs (single or charge)
Voltedge	elem+norm	3	NS	NL shock	fast?	undead, constructs (single or charge)
Acheron	shad+norm	3	NS	NL	fast	slimes, gremlins (single or charge)
Gran Faust	shad+norm	2	WL curse	NL curse	slow	slimes, gremlins (multiple or defensive)

Piercing, Elemental, Shadow

Remember that, if you're into swords, then you want to own a piercing sword, an elemental sword, and a shadow sword. This section offers direct comparisons within each damage type. I try to present the objective facts, followed by semi-objective analysis of their implications, followed by my subjective opinion. The abbreviations are as above, with these additions: SPM for strokes per minute, CPM for charges per minute, and DPS for damage per second. (These are all based on the Lancer Knightz data, which reflect ASI+6, CTR+6, no damage bonus, depth 28, vulnerable enemies, and no damage from status.)

Piercing Swords

Name	First	Second	Third	SPM	Charge	Move	CPM	Obtain	DPS
Barbarous Thorn Blade	WM 285	NM 285	NM 340	120	WS	medium	21	Frumious Fangs	607
Final Flourish	WM 285	NM 285	NM 340	120	NM	medium	17.5		607
Fearless Rigadoon	WM 240 stun	NM 240 stun	NM 289 stun	120?	NM stun	medium?	17.5?		513?
Furious Flamberge	WM 240?	NM 240?	NM 289?	120?	NM fire	medium?	17.5?		513?

Facts: Final Flourish and BTB are identical in their regular attacks. BTB's charge attack spews a short, wide shower of thorns; it can disrupt and moderately damage a crowd of monsters. In contrast, Final Flourish's charge attack is essentially a more powerful version of its regular combo; it lunges into one monster (or a tight crowd), damaging it heavily. Fearless Rigadoon and Furious Flamberge are identical to Final Flourish, but sacrifice some damage for the ability to inflict status effects. BTB charges faster than the others.

Implications: The first stroke, being fast, wide, and fairly long, is extremely useful; against fiends, it is often wise to use just the first stroke. The third stroke benefits greatly from auto-targeting, due to its distinctive lunging motion. These swords kill piercing-vulnerable monsters so quickly that there is usually not much point in also inducing a status; you would rather just have as much damage as possible. The Final Flourish charge does more damage than the BTB charge against a single enemy or a tight crowd. Against a large crowd, the BTB charge is a bit safer, because it disrupts the attacks of several monsters, while the Final Flourish charge can leave the user exposed.

Opinion: Final Flourish and BTB are equally good. Furious Flamberge and FR seem less good.

Elemental Swords

Name	First	Second	Third	SPM	Charge	Move	CPM	Obtain	DPS
W. Rocket Hammer	WL 340	NS 240	WL 403	90	WL	slow	13	Op. Crimson Hammer	492-733
Divine Avenger	WL 328	WL 445		74	WL	slow	18.5	Jelly Gems	477
Fang of Vog	NS 266 fire	NS 266 fire	NS 345 fire	96	TS fire	fast	17	Almirian Seals	468
Combuster	NS 292	NS 292	NS 382	117	NL fire	fast	21		628
Glacius	NS 292	NS 292	NS 382	117	NL freeze	fast	21		628
Voltedge	NS 292	NS 292	NS 382	117?	NL shock	fast?	21?	Krogmo Coins	628?

Facts: In regular attacks, Combuster, Glacius, and Voltedge enjoy high speed and single-target DPS. DA and WRH enjoy superior width, length, and knockback. WRH's second stroke lunges dramatically, hitting knockback-resistant enemies as many as three times. FoV's raw speed, size, and damage are mediocre, but it can inflict fire on every stroke. In charge attacks, Combuster, Glacius and Voltedge emit a line of explosions, that cause fire, freeze, or shock; these swords are identical except in their charge attack statuses. You move at reduced speed while charging DA or WRH. The DA charge is a big swing that spews three projectiles. The WRH charge is two huge downward swings with large area and knockback. Fang of Vog's 360-degree charge attack does huge damage to monsters, sets them on fire, and often sets the user on fire.

Implications: Against tightly clustered enemies, DA's and WRH's longer reach and wider swing mean that they can hit multiple enemies at once, potentially doing high total damage. However, completing a combo against multiple enemies without getting hit requires care. DA's and WRH's high knockback aids defense in tight, crowded fights. WRH's lunging combo is dangerous around traps, but can facilitate simultaneous attacking and dodging. Shield-cancelling WRH after the second stroke results in massive DPS against knockback-resistant enemies. The WRH charge leaves you exposed. Among the three Brandishes, Glacius' freeze is useful for crowd control, and it does some damage upon thawing, but it hinders kiting, shield-bumping, and knockback. Voltedge's shock disrupts monsters somewhat, and it does some damage, especially since shock does area-damage to close monsters. Combuster's fire is useful for extra damage, but offers no crowd control. Freeze and shock can prevent a monster from riding the entire Brandish charge attack for full damage; fire does not have this defect. Although the monsters in Firestorm Citadel are largely immune to fire, FoV and the Combuster charge still do damage — just not status.

Opinion: Combuster/Glacius/Voltedge are easy, versatile, and powerful. All three are good, but I prefer Combuster. FoV is a utility weapon, for charging only. DA excels against crowds, especially in tight rooms. WRH excels against knockback-resistant enemies such as gun puppies and lumbers.

Shadow Swords

Name	First	Second	Third	SPM	Charge	Move	CPM	Obtain	DPS
Acheron	NS 292	NS 292	NS 382	117	NL	fast	21		628
Gran Faust	WL 328	WL 445 curse		72	NL curse	slow	14	Jelly Gems	464

Facts: Acheron enjoys superior speed and single-enemy DPS. GF enjoys superior width, length, and knockback, and it can curse monsters. GF takes a conspicuously long time to charge, you move at reduced speed while charging, and the charge attack can curse you.

Implications: Against tightly clustered enemies, GF's longer reach and wider swing mean that it can hit multiple enemies at once, potentially doing high total damage. However, completing a combo against multiple enemies without getting hit requires care, so this is not really a route to high DPS. GF's higher knockback aids defense in tight, crowded fights. GF's monster curse is useful against large enemies (Royal Jelly, lichen colonies), but small enemies do not usually live long enough for it to be useful. GF's user curse is somewhere between irritating and dangerous.

Opinion: GF is better for a defensive mode. For example. I use it in Compound 42 and the Unknown Passage, to keep crowds at bay. In all other situations, Acheron is better.

Normal

Are you sure that you want a normal sword? Maybe you'd be happier with two non-normal swords, or with a piercing sword and an elemental gun? No? Okay, here are some comparisons among normal swords.

Name	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	SPM	Charge	Move	CPM	Obtain	DPS
Dread Venom Striker	NS 170 pois	NS 170 pois	NS 170 pois	NS 170 pois	NS 216 pois	145	NS pois	fast	18		433
Wild Hunting Blade	NS 170	NS 170	NS 170	NS 170	NS 216	145?	NS	fast?	18?		433?
Leviathan Blade	NS 203	NS 203	NS 258			114	TS	fast	21		420
Cold Iron Vanquisher	NS 186	NS 186	NS 238			114?	TS	fast?	21?		386?
Sudaruska	WL 258	WL 321				64	WL stun	slow	15		309
Triglav	WL 258?	WL 321? frz				64?	WL frz	slow?	15?	Kr. Coins	309?

Leviathan Blade vs. Cold Iron Vanquisher

Facts: Cold Iron Vanquisher does less base-line damage than Leviathan Blade, but comes with a High damage bonus against undead. Levi's charge attack knocks back more than CIV's does.

Implications: Against non-undead targets, Levi simply does more damage per hit. Against undead targets, which sword does more damage depends on the amount of damage bonus being applied from other sources (armor, shield, trinkets, UVs). At None, Low, Medium, and High damage bonus, CIV out-damages Levi against undead. At greater levels of damage bonus, Levi starts catching up to CIV against undead, because damage bonus cannot go over Maximum!. At Ultra or Maximum! damage bonus from other sources, Levi out-damages CIV even against undead. The high knockback of Levi's charge attack is good for defense, but it can disrupt teammates when used badly. Against light enemies, CIV's charge is more likely to hit three times, and therefore may do more total damage.

Opinion: Levi is better in most situations.

Dread Venom Striker vs. Wild Hunting Blade

Facts: Dread Venom Striker and Wild Hunting Blade do equal base-line damage. WHB comes with a High damage bonus against beasts, while DVS can poison its targets. Both swords have long charge attacks that leave the user exposed, but WHB's charge attack interrupts monsters much more than does DVS'. Any piercing sword does far more damage against beasts than WHB does, and with wider, longer swings.

Implications: At None, Low, Medium, and High damage bonus coming from other sources (armor, shield, trinkets, UVs), WHB out-damages DVS against beasts. At greater levels of damage bonus, DVS starts catching up to WHB against beasts, because damage bonus cannot go over Maximum!. At Maximum! damage bonus from other sources, DVS matches WHB against beasts. DVS's poison is useful against most monsters — especially ones that heal, such as the Royal Jelly. WHB's charge attack is somewhat safer than DVS', due to the interrupting.

Opinion: DVS is better. Indeed, WHB has been made largely obsolete by the piercing swords and the weakening of the wolver AI. WHB deserves some kind of update.

Sudaruska vs. Triglav

Facts: Sudaruska inflicts stun on the charge only, while Triglav inflicts freeze on the charge and on the second stroke of the combo. Both swords enjoy great length, width, and knockback in regular attacks (identical to Divine Avenger and Gran Faust). Both swords deliver a big charge attack that leaves the user exposed but knocks monsters away.

Implications: If Triglav successfully freezes its target, then the freeze prevents the target from being knocked back. On the other hand, there is a well-known "bug" in the stun status, that causes monsters to attack in unexpected ways. So both statuses have undesirable aspects.

Opinion: I have never used Triglav, but the possibility of not knocking enemies away on the charge attack seems quite dangerous, so I vote for Sudaruska.

Other Comparisons

Remember that you should always plan in terms of 5-star items, not 2- or 3-star items. And damage type is the major consideration in choosing a sword. So the comparisons in this section make no sense in my world view. However, so many people ask about them that I have to say something.

Troika vs. Sealed Sword

Facts: Troika and Sealed Sword are 2- and 3-star swords, not 5-star swords. The 5-star versions of these swords do various kinds of damage (normal, elemental, shadow). In regular attacks, Divine Avenger and Gran Faust are significantly faster than Sudaruska and Triglav, but all four of these swords have the same width, length, and knockback. The Troika-style charge attack slams down on the monsters from above, while the Sealed-style charge attack launches one or three projectiles that plow through the monsters.

Implications: People ask about these swords because they are all heavy (wide, long, slow, two-stroke combo, high knockback). But, because they inflict different damage types, they are not really comparable.

Opinion: If you are a gunner or bomber who wants a single sword for all emergencies, then consider Sudaruska, Triglav, and Leviathan Blade. If you are a sworder, then do not get any Troika-line sword, but strongly consider Divine Avenger or Gran Faust, to complement the damage types of your other swords. If you use a mixture of swords and guns, then strongly consider DA or GF (to complement the damage types of your other swords and guns).

Divine Avenger vs. Gran Faust

Facts: Divine Avenger does elemental damage, while Gran Faust does shadow damage. Therefore DA does more damage against undead and constructs (and fiends), while GF does more damage against slimes and gremlins (and beasts). DA's charge attack does more total damage. GF's charge attack can inflict curse on monsters, but it can also curse the user. Contrary to the statistics bars displayed on these items, GF is not faster than DA.

Implications: People ask about these two swords because they are heavy (wide, long, slow, two-stroke combo, high knockback) and come from Jelly Gems. But, because they inflict different damage types, they are not really comparable.

Opinion: If you have already decided that you are going to craft either DA or GF, then choose the one that complements your other weapons' damage types. In the case of a tie, choose DA, because DA is about as good as any elemental sword, whereas GF is not quite as good as Acheron.

Calibur vs. Brandish

Facts: Calibur and Brandish are 2-star swords, not 5-star swords. The 5-star versions of these swords do various kinds of damage (normal, elemental, shadow). The Calibur-style charge attack can hit several monsters up to three times, with large knockback. The Brandish-style charge attack hits one monster (or a tight crowd) once, with up to five additional damage bursts, depending on the star-level of the Brandish.

Implications: People ask about these swords because they are similar in their 2-star regular attacks (narrow, short, medium-speed, three strokes, small knockback). But, because they inflict different damage types, they are not really comparable.

Opinion: If you are a gunner or bomber who wants a single sword for all emergencies, then consider Leviathan Blade, Sudaruska, and Triglav. If you are a sworder, then do not get any Calibur-line sword, but strongly consider Combuster/Glacius/Voltedge/Acheron, to complement the damage types of your other swords. Also strongly consider the Brandishes if you use a mixture of swords and guns.

Armor, Shields, and Trinkets

In Tier 3, even the strongest armor lets through lots of damage. To stay alive, one must avoid getting hit. Thus, most advanced players favor armor, shields, and trinkets that give offensive bonuses, even at the cost of some defense. Damage bonus against all enemies (six monster families, Vanaduke, and PvP) is especially valuable, in that it cannot be replicated by UVs. On the other hand, the practical value of damage bonus is sensitive to your tactical situation; it may increase your kills per second dramatically or not at all.

Here are the armors and shields that give sword bonuses. Other popular shields for sworders are Grey Owlite Shield, Crest of Almire, and Volcanic Plate Shield.

Name

Norm

Pier

Elem

Shad

Bonuses

Fi

Fr

Sh

Po

St

Cu

Sl

Skolver Coat/Cap

norm

pier

sword dam+2

fr+4

Vog Cub Coat/Cap

norm

elem

sword ASI+2

fi+4

Snarbolax Coat/Cap

norm

shad

sword dam+2

fr+3

po+3

Heavenly Iron Armor/Helm

norm

shad

sword dam+1, fiend dam+1

sh-4

cu+4

Armor/Crown of the Fallen

norm

shad

ASI+1, fiend dam-2

fi+4

po+4

cu-4

Chaos Cloak/Chaos Cowl

norm

elem

dam+2, CTR+2

fi-2

fr-2

sh-2

po-2

cu-2

Kat Claw Cowl

sword dam+1, sword ASI+1

Black Kat Cowl

norm

shad

dam+3, MSI+1

fi-2

fr+4

sh-2

po-2

cu-4

Barbarous Thorn Shield

norm

pier

sword dam+2

Swiftstrike Buckler

norm

ASI+3

Snarbolax, Heavenly Iron, Kat Claw, and Black Kat armors are hard to get. For your first 5-star armor, focus on Skolver, Vog Cub, and perhaps Chaos. Skolver is ideal for the Royal Jelly Palace. Vog Cub and Snarbolax are both good for Firestorm Citadel, but I prefer Vog Cub, because the shadow is easier to avoid than the fire. Insofar as there is a general trend, Vog Cub offers better defense than Skolver. Elemental and fire are more prevalent than piercing and freeze, especially due to the popularity of Firestorm Citadel. Also, Vog Cub's ASI aids defense. Meanwhile, Skolver offers better offense, because blanket damage bonus cannot be replicated by UVs.

New players and frugal players should consider building a general-purpose armor set before building more specialized sets. Perhaps obtain Ash Tail Coat/Cap, and upgrade one piece to Vog Cub, and then upgrade the other to Skolver. Consider also Divine Veil with Skolver Coat; this is probably the best general-purpose armor set in the game.

There are trinkets to enhance your sword attack speed, damage, and charge time. By coordinating trinkets with armor and heat level 10, you can always achieve damage+4, ASI+4, and CTR+2 on all swords. Shields and UVs let you exceed these baseline bonuses.

Final Thoughts

A knight's goal is to kill monsters, but a player's goal is to have fun. Some people wear crummy armor, because they enjoy the challenge. In my opinion, some of the weaker swords (e.g. Sudaruska, Dread Venom Striker) are really fun. So try a variety of swords and use what you like. This guide exists, just to help you understand the tradeoffs you're making.

Thanks to Lancer Knightz for data, Trying for vandalism repair, and the rest of the Arsenal Forum regulars for enlightening discussion. Happy travels.