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Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]].  '''If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum] instead.  If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the [[Support Portal]] to get help.'''
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{{Showhide|My (Novaster's) attempt at fixing the past several "cleanups" that I've Done|content=
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Edit comment when I started "cleaning up my mess" (which is bad and confusing, I see now)
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:''I saw you editing things! I'll just clean up in here...history reveals all that's been proposed/asked and all that. I'll just do one thing at a time so your page is not such a mess, my bad.'' - Edit comment 04:56, 28 January 2015 by Novaster
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Later:
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''On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)''
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Me (Novaster):
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''Well I feel awful for doing the wrong thing/causing confusion when I wanted to do the right thing and not cause confusion! - restoring/compiling history into a show/hide tab as best I can.'' -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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Below compiled from page history (hope I didn't miss anything):
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===A Big Project===
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Hello, as you can see from a ton of sandbox edits lately, we're trying to build a thing! This thing could be pretty major, so I think it would be smart to ask for staff opinion(s).
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It's a list that can sort things via name, damage or defense type, resistances, abilities, penalties, and star, and so on, depending on the type of item.
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I want to make this because a lot of players seem to have trouble finding certain item types and comparing items. After several months of this on the bottom of my "things I could try to do for the wiki in my spare time of which I have too much" I decided to get goin on it.
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Naturally, I went to the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/105837 forums] to get more opinions.
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So we've a lot of us have been putting lots of thought into this, and people seem to like the idea in general, but to sum up the forum discussion, we're not having an efficient time deciding on format.
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Some opinion(s) on something this large from staff would be great, and, smart to get, yeah?
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-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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:Oh, also, can we get confirmation about the order of release for items? I've checked [[release/all]] but it doesn't mention everything :)/ -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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::The wiki is a community project and in general we rely on the consensus of the player community for such decisions, unless it's something that goes against the style guide/policy. As for release, I'm afraid I don't have a way to find that information easily and sending a query to the developers is out of the question. However, I can take a look and see what I can find. Which items are the ones that need fact-checking? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 18:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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:::Not sure yet, we've not tried to make all tables (since we're changing so much, it would be silly to do that work and have to change that too) - when we do, I'll post here. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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::::Update: the armor lists are filled in, namewise - in what we believe is the DoR order. Verification would be nice once we get them all onto the same page :D -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Images, Animation, and Mouse==
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So I had a thought - would it be at all possible to have any APNGs we upload to the wiki be frozen on the first frame - only animating if a user hovers their mouse over the image? I've seen this before around the intranetz but IDK how we would (or if we could) go about it on the wiki. Just a thought! Would be nice for new players wanting to get a good look at an item, but otherwise be un-distracted by movement on the page while they look at other things. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 07:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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:This looks like a topic for discussion for the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/14 wiki editors] forums. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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::[http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/106171 Oki doki]. If you're allowed to give staff opinion, what would be your opinion in general ;P? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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:::My suggestion would be to keep things as simple as possible. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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==Tabber==
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{{showhide|initial inquiry about tabber|content=Oh look, Nova is doing weird things on the wiki again!
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So I've been trying to make a nice...thing...that mimics a few in-game interfaces. Basically it's a tab box that:
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*doesn't link to other pages unless specified, a self-contained thing
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*provides a great way to organize things
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*and blahblah
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I poked around on our wiki and couldn't find anything anywhere that behaves like this.
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I poked around on MediaWiki, and they have a "[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tabber tabber]" extension. Do we have this? I tried making a template but it didn't quite work, wondering if I'm just not plugging something in correctly. If we don't have this extension, would it be possible to get it? Since we're powered by MediaWiki here and all that (I have...no idea...how these things work :D...magic?)
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So I spent some time messing around last night trying to incorporate show/hide, and the sheer pathetic level of my efforts made me laugh.
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[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Template:Help%26Documentation-GuildHall relevant derpy template 1]
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[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Template:Help%26Documentation-GuildHall/start relevant derpy template 2]
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I think it's clear what I'm trying to do? If not, I'll try to elaborate more. I'm talking with some friends about how to do this, and none of 'em seem to have a clue how to do it.
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EDIT: [[File:templaterequest_tabber.png]]
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Thanks for reading! -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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:OH an optional scrollbar parameter would be ideal, if possible. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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::Talked with some friends, and they said something about old MediaWiki not having the capacity for new MediaWiki things. That makes me sad D:. Messed around with it some more, and, well, the way that it's NOT working is making me laugh at least. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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:::We don't ave those extensions and it's likely they won't be implemented any time soon. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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:I showed an image I made of my "tabber dream" to several players ([http://imgur.com/uXaoqiZ image here]), and the feedback has been almost entirely positive - so I decided to make something as close to it as I could with the current wiki. Calling it... '''Item Cards''' project! ("card" since, well, it kinda looks like a cute ID card for items, doesn't it? hehe). Anyway, it's been kinda...difficult, so I've spawned several templates and deleted them quickly, this sort of thing is not going to hurt the wiki or anything like that is it? I wish I could delete pages out myself (I like to clean up my messes), but all I can do is the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> tag, which makes more work for you. Ah well. I've just noticed a lot of inconsistencies with page format around the wiki - understandable of course, with so many contributors. If I can manage to make this Card Template intuitive, flexible-yet-rigid (rigid for consistencies, flexible for experienced and inexperienced users alike), I think we'll have a very clean wiki. [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/106676 Here] is the forum thread - so we can track feedback and such. I'll update it with in-game feedback too.
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:TL;DR: Sorry about all the junk templates and trashed pages I generate in this process. I am inspired.
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:-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Icon for Crafting==
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The main wiki page has a silly icon for crafting...not been updated in a while.
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Can we replace it with something more relevant? Like [[File:Icon-rarity.png|50px]] or a greyed out version of [[File:Crafting-AlchemyMachine-Alchemy Machine icon.png|50px]] (since not all rarities are used crafting)? 
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The pickup vial is a little odd this late in the game. I think I can replace the actual image file myself, but the main page it's on doesn't allow editing, so I want to ask. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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: Changed. It may take a while for the cached image to update. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
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[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Preview_grand_finale_600x160.jpg This Image] seems a bit wonky. Idk if it's important but I just found it going through categories and I can't tag it...which makes me think it's important :O  (why is it in icky jpg eeeeew)-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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:[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Power_surge_weekend_600x160.jpg also this one]. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Outdated External Link==
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User:MtaxXx mentioned an outdated link on the [[Talk:Account security|discussion page of Account Security]]. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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==Template Category Project==
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I'm attempting to put various templates into easy to navigate/understand categories, so users don't generate new templates when there might already be one they're looking for (something I did frequently when I was new here and would have appreciated as a nubbie editor). Understandably, I can't edit the [[:Template:Showhide]] code - could you add <nowiki> [[Category:Showhide Templates]]</nowiki> to it? If I find more...specialized templates around the wiki that I can't edit so they fall into categories, I'll return here again. Thanks, -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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:It would be cool to do the '''<nowiki>[[Category:Showhide Templates|*]]</nowiki>''' thingie since it's the daddy template of these templates. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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==Organizing & Cleaning Category Images==
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[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Unique_variant.png This Image] bothers me on so many levels. Bad tag, and it's not a true visual of the situation - that horizontal zigzag line doesn't appear in-game...I get what this image is meant to do but I don't think it's appropriate. The image is technically of an item, yes, in that it is of an item's...tooltip...thing...but compared to most other tag specifics, it just doesn't make sense. Could we delete this image...if not, could we change the tag to <nowiki>{{wiki image}}</nowiki>? I would just change the file that shows up on the [[Unique Variant]] page and add a delete tag myself, but this weird image is protected, so I need to check here first. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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:There are lots of images in [[:Category:Item images]] that don't have tags that make sense. I have <nowiki>{{text image}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{interface image}}</nowiki> tags that I think would be appropriate for most of these, but I can't edit some of them. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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:: Do you have a list? --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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:::I do not. I've made/there are the following categories:
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:<nowiki>{{interface image}}</nowiki> if there's clickable button things or <nowiki>{{text image}}</nowiki> for if there's no clickable button things,
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:<nowiki>{{news image}}</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>{{obsolete image}}</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>{{screenshot image}}</nowiki>
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and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.
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Please change the tags of protected images as you see fit. I'd love to go through [[:Category:Item images]] and [[:Category:Official images]] and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't. Sorry for late reply, I didn't see that this page had changed - I should add it to my watchlist! -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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Modified edit:
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and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.
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I'd love to go through [[:Category:Item images]] and [[:Category:Official images]] and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't.
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Would it be best to unprotect files that are not sensitive regarding billing? Or just temporarily unprotect them so I can tag them? Early wiki days were weird. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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:This is just a side thing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98zVUqWlh3Q Destroying] pages is probably higher on your list of things to do. I've managed to make another pile of them >,..,> -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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==Winterfest Prize Box==
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''[http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/70024 1.5% - An Impostoclaus Hat and Winterfest Coat costume armor set! This exceptionally rare item gives you the look of the fabled Impostoclaus and lasts forever! (set includes both items)]'' - by this, does it mean that the set came out (like both hat and coat) at the same time from a single unboxing at 1.5% chance? Nobody I know seems to remember. This information is totally super duper important. Totally. I'll have to slightly adjust templates if this is the case. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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==Confirming Anniversary Prize Box things==
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Did the "Anniversary Prize Box 2014" also have [[Party Blowout]]s, [[Party Hat]]s, and [[Sprinkle Aura]]s (like the [[Anniversary Prize Box]]) in addition to the newer [[Grand Topper]]s, [[Field Cap]]s, and [[Plumed Cap]]s? [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/98894 This Forum Post] has the bulleted list a little iffy, and I've found a video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uTZPzzXggp0#t=234 here] that shows Maskwell's list (so, no party hats etc. for straight up tokens, as I almost thought from that admin post). I don't have anything in my memory bank or files that can verify. Is there anywhere that lists the % chances for the Anniversary Prize Box 2014? Thanks, -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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:: The only information we have available is the forum post you linked and [[Surprise_Box_Promotion_April_2014|this page]]. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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::: aw shucks :(. I guess I'll just leave a note on the Anniversary Prize Box 2014 page about "unsure about the prize pool." Thanks for looking. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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==Icon Fixes==
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Catching my breath...
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I've gone through and fixed several icons (and typos in redirects) around the wiki. That was...invisible work! I plan on "fixing" perks too, and a few other odds and ends. I wish this mentality were more common:
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:Just because something doesn't have an appearance in-game separate from its icon, doesn't mean it's fine to upload one without "icon" in the filename, otherwise tables can't be uniform and switches get quite silly (I looked at the switch I did for one of the tables, and was just like ALL RIGHT, TIME TO FIX THIS SILLYNESS like a few of us editors did for confetti and boxes).
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Anyway, I ramble... All that's left is outdated filenames on the [[Supply Depot]] page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on [[Rarity]] page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to [[Supply Depot Sale]] stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.
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Not gonna look at/fix materials. That's just too many files, the system works fine (making switches for something that consistently inconsistent-with-wiki isn't so bad), and nobody REALLY cares except my inner OCD Devilite and well, I'm only gonna be alive so long on this planet. The same sort of thing bothers me about "equipped" images...the days before tooltip rotations were dark indeed. Nope. Not worth anyone's time to "fix." Nope. Nooooope.
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-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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==Probably-Shouldn't-Be-On-Wiki-Images==
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[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Copyright_risk&limit=500 Copyright Risk] - created that tag so admins can deal with these in bulk as editors use the tag. What should be done about these images? I'm 99% sure they're copyrighted. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 15:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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:I have just found the <nowiki>{{copyvio}}</nowiki> tag by chance working on another project. So, using that instead! I'll be working on a "how to wiki guide" pretty soon...so people can know that things like this already exist and not embarrass themselves. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
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==Icon Fixes==
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Went through and "fixed" rarity icons. All that's left is outdated filenames on the [[Supply Depot]] page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on [[Rarity]] page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to [[Supply Depot Sale]] stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.
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Just got fed up with a switch system, but I realize this sort of "reuploading things to better names" activity isn't ideal. There's a lot of inconsistencies on the wiki when it comes to this sort of thing (materials, perks, etc), and well, I've decided that it's not worth anybody's time (certainly not mine) to "fix" this sort of issue by reuploading files to better names, when you can just make an ugly (but functional) switch. There's more reasons than time though:
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:1) the game could give multiple functions to a single entity, as with "buff" effects (pickup items as well as triggered by monsters on each other or battle sprites on knights is just one example) - I just fixed duplicate file issues regarding these today
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:2) the game could change the arsenal classification of an item to be another arsenal classification, potentially rendering filenames inaccurate, and a hassle to "fix" if there's hundreds of them. But nobody really sees filenames except editors, so inaccurate filenames of this specific kind don't matter as long as published page content is clear, right?
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:3) we are at risk of losing easy access to archive data using the "reupload to a better filename to fix" method. I've often used the date an original icon was uploaded to make sense of the order of events. For example, I used the file history of the accessory icons for several of the older Round Shade accessory items to try and discern the relative date Round Shades were first released (not everything has release notes or admin posts), and a few others.
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In the future, I'll be sure to just deal with a messy switch that only editors who have to muck around with code have to see. I'll "fix" odds and ends that I see though, like if someone just uploads a file to ads;jkflhasdfjkh.jpg or something like that :)
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should I put the above reasons in a sort of "how to wiki" guide (a few of us are planning on revamping the style guide page to be more up to date), if you think they're prudent/correct?
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-[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
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:: I've fixed the icons. I'm not sure why you have to reupload them when it's so much easier to move the images to a better name. Just provide me with a specific list and the proposed names and I'll move them. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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::: because we're not allowed to move images.. it's a [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowImageMoving one line configure] if you're inclined though --[[User:Icytea|Icytea]] 17:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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::::I do have the option - haven't tested so I'm not sure if it's bugged or not. If you give me a list, I'll move them to the right spot. That way we don't lose history or resolution. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 22:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  
 
==Image Moving==
 
==Image Moving==
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Here's something to test (just capital letters) - the icons I mentioned below! Could we move the following like so:
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:<nowiki>File:Buff attack icon.png >>> File:Buff Attack icon.png </nowiki>
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:<nowiki>File:Buff defense icon.png >>> File:Buff Defense icon.png</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>File:Buff movement speed icon.png >>> File:Buff Movement Speed icon.png</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>File:Debuff attack icon.png >>> File:Debuff Attack icon.png</nowiki>
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:<nowiki>File:Debuff defense icon.png >>> File:Debuff Defense icon.png </nowiki>
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:: Moved, redirects can't be suppressed at moving time, we can live with them. If more need to be done, please start a new section in this discussion page. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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If the test works, shall we make a tag similar to "needs updating" for all files to be moved? I'll make it so editors put the new/desired filename destination in the tag. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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:Unless there's already a tag like this that exists that I don't know about ;P -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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:: Not that I'm aware of. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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I'll get to making that tag. I thought about tagging many of the battle sprite images with this, but a lot of these are just too much of a "mess" and need cropping anyway, so I can just do my reupload-to-fix for those. I'm pretty sure it's very clear when battle sprites came out, so we don't need to worry about archive data for these. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 
I'll get to making that tag. I thought about tagging many of the battle sprite images with this, but a lot of these are just too much of a "mess" and need cropping anyway, so I can just do my reupload-to-fix for those. I'm pretty sure it's very clear when battle sprites came out, so we don't need to worry about archive data for these. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 
:Ah looking at the files now, people DO have them on pages, and I don't like nosing about on personal pages unless there's something really wiki breaking. Tagging them <strike>shortly</strike> after the relevant WiP is done. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 
:Ah looking at the files now, people DO have them on pages, and I don't like nosing about on personal pages unless there's something really wiki breaking. Tagging them <strike>shortly</strike> after the relevant WiP is done. -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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I like how nice and high res [[File:Attack speed icon.png|36px]] is.
 
I like how nice and high res [[File:Attack speed icon.png|36px]] is.
  
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[[File:Buff attack icon.png|36px]], [[File:Buff defense icon.png|36px]], [[File:Buff movement speed icon.png|36px]], [[File:Buff Attack Speed icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff attack icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff defense icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff Movement Speed icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff Attack Speed icon.png|36px]]
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Is there a way us editors can get our paws on higher quality versions of the following without doing heavy pixel editing ourselves (which leads to inaccuracy). These are not in game files in HQ as far as we can tell:
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:[[File:Buff attack icon.png|36px]], [[File:Buff defense icon.png|36px]], [[File:Buff movement speed icon.png|36px]], [[File:Buff Attack Speed icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff attack icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff defense icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff Movement Speed icon.png|36px]], [[File:Debuff Attack Speed icon.png|36px]]
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If you get them, I'd like to upload them (or for them to be uploaded) to consistently lowercase letters, with only Buff or Debuff capitalized.
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Thanks, -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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:No, I'm sorry. The data we have available is the same that players have. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:42, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  
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More recent request:
 
:Would it be okay for us editors to carefully attempt to make high quality versions of these as accurately as possible, since they seem to be unavailable officially? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 
:Would it be okay for us editors to carefully attempt to make high quality versions of these as accurately as possible, since they seem to be unavailable officially? -[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Icon Fixes

Went through and "fixed" rarity icons. All that's left is outdated filenames on the Supply Depot page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on Rarity page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to Supply Depot Sale stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.

Just got fed up with a switch system, but I realize this sort of "reuploading things to better names" activity isn't ideal. There's a lot of inconsistencies on the wiki when it comes to this sort of thing (materials, perks, etc), and well, I've decided that it's not worth anybody's time (certainly not mine) to "fix" this sort of issue by reuploading files to better names, when you can just make an ugly (but functional) switch. There's more reasons than time though:

1) the game could give multiple functions to a single entity, as with "buff" effects (pickup items as well as triggered by monsters on each other or battle sprites on knights is just one example) - I just fixed duplicate file issues regarding these today
2) the game could change the arsenal classification of an item to be another arsenal classification, potentially rendering filenames inaccurate, and a hassle to "fix" if there's hundreds of them. But nobody really sees filenames except editors, so inaccurate filenames of this specific kind don't matter as long as published page content is clear, right?
3) we are at risk of losing easy access to archive data using the "reupload to a better filename to fix" method. I've often used the date an original icon was uploaded to make sense of the order of events. For example, I used the file history of the accessory icons for several of the older Round Shade accessory items to try and discern the relative date Round Shades were first released (not everything has release notes or admin posts), and a few others.

In the future, I'll be sure to just deal with a messy switch that only editors who have to muck around with code have to see. I'll "fix" odds and ends that I see though, like if someone just uploads a file to ads;jkflhasdfjkh.jpg or something like that :)

should I put the above reasons in a sort of "how to wiki" guide (a few of us are planning on revamping the style guide page to be more up to date), if you think they're prudent/correct?

-Novaster 14:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed the icons. I'm not sure why you have to reupload them when it's so much easier to move the images to a better name. Just provide me with a specific list and the proposed names and I'll move them. --Clotho 16:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
because we're not allowed to move images.. it's a one line configure if you're inclined though --Icytea 17:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I do have the option - haven't tested so I'm not sure if it's bugged or not. If you give me a list, I'll move them to the right spot. That way we don't lose history or resolution. --Clotho 22:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Image Moving

Here's something to test (just capital letters) - the icons I mentioned below! Could we move the following like so:

File:Buff attack icon.png >>> File:Buff Attack icon.png
File:Buff defense icon.png >>> File:Buff Defense icon.png
File:Buff movement speed icon.png >>> File:Buff Movement Speed icon.png
File:Debuff attack icon.png >>> File:Debuff Attack icon.png
File:Debuff defense icon.png >>> File:Debuff Defense icon.png
Moved, redirects can't be suppressed at moving time, we can live with them. If more need to be done, please start a new section in this discussion page. --Clotho 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

If the test works, shall we make a tag similar to "needs updating" for all files to be moved? I'll make it so editors put the new/desired filename destination in the tag. -Novaster 23:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Unless there's already a tag like this that exists that I don't know about ;P -Novaster 23:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of. --Clotho 21:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll get to making that tag. I thought about tagging many of the battle sprite images with this, but a lot of these are just too much of a "mess" and need cropping anyway, so I can just do my reupload-to-fix for those. I'm pretty sure it's very clear when battle sprites came out, so we don't need to worry about archive data for these. -Novaster 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah looking at the files now, people DO have them on pages, and I don't like nosing about on personal pages unless there's something really wiki breaking. Tagging them shortly after the relevant WiP is done. -Novaster 11:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Tah Dah! < please move it move it. To make sure they got moved to the right spot, I've put a "gallery prep" on the discussion page of every sprite (Like so) - they should show up in there once saved. These galleries should force consistent naming (dashes, capitals, and all!) into the distant future. Thanks! (and yes, progression pics are missing, that's a recent project I started as of the Gun Pup release and it's a very low priority WiP)-Novaster 17:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and comment here and I've asked Gamemasters about this a long time ago specifically about deleting posts through an easy-to-use template. Their response:
About the template, as nice as it sounds, I doubt it would be any different than what we have now. GMs monitor the wiki regularly, but not constant enough to be checking that category. An in-game request is much faster!
In this sense, this makes the tag redundant. The user(s) on this wiki are able to freely re-upload images to their proper name. You can also just add the Delete Template. Doing this is much more simple than constantly asking Gamemasters to move it. Just my thoughts on it anyhow. --Acies 17:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree that as a long-term project it's not practical. However, I'm happy to help a bit - I'll take care of the images on that tag above in the next few days. If more come up, use that tag and poke me here to let me know. Please note that this is not a service that GMs are able to provide on a regular basis as our duties are many and time is short, this is a personal offer from me to the wiki editors for a short period of time. --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh dear, so sorry - I thought that because it is conserved in the page history it would be fine to clean up my clutter, because I post in here so much. Should I post everything back in here? -Novaster 19:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I see the major problem with this - Acies missed 75% of the conversation, which doesn't help things - I'd like to think everyone uses page history as much as I do. Just let me know what to do regarding the edits of the past week or so. -Novaster 20:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Question about improving icons

I like how nice and high res Attack speed icon.png is.

Is there a way us editors can get our paws on higher quality versions of the following without doing heavy pixel editing ourselves (which leads to inaccuracy). These are not in game files in HQ as far as we can tell:

Buff Attack icon.png, Buff Defense icon.png, Buff Movement Speed icon.png, Buff Attack Speed icon.png, Debuff Attack icon.png, Debuff Defense icon.png, Debuff Movement Speed icon.png, Debuff Attack Speed icon.png

If you get them, I'd like to upload them (or for them to be uploaded) to consistently lowercase letters, with only Buff or Debuff capitalized.

Thanks, -Novaster 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. The data we have available is the same that players have. --Clotho 16:42, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

More recent request:

Would it be okay for us editors to carefully attempt to make high quality versions of these as accurately as possible, since they seem to be unavailable officially? -Novaster 10:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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