User talk:Clotho

Edit comment when I started "cleaning up my mess" (which is bad and confusing, I see now)

I saw you editing things! I'll just clean up in here...history reveals all that's been proposed/asked and all that. I'll just do one thing at a time so your page is not such a mess, my bad. - Edit comment 04:56, 28 January 2015 by Novaster

Later:

On a separate note, please do not delete information from this page, it's best to add a new section to keep things tidy. I'll be moving past conversations to the archive instead - as a GM, I must have a record of all interactions with players. Thanks! --Clotho 17:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Me (Novaster):

Well I feel awful for doing the wrong thing/causing confusion when I wanted to do the right thing and not cause confusion! - restoring/compiling history into a show/hide tab as best I can. -Novaster 21:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Below compiled from page history (hope I didn't miss anything):

A Big Project

Hello, as you can see from a ton of sandbox edits lately, we're trying to build a thing! This thing could be pretty major, so I think it would be smart to ask for staff opinion(s).

It's a list that can sort things via name, damage or defense type, resistances, abilities, penalties, and star, and so on, depending on the type of item.

I want to make this because a lot of players seem to have trouble finding certain item types and comparing items. After several months of this on the bottom of my "things I could try to do for the wiki in my spare time of which I have too much" I decided to get goin on it.

Naturally, I went to the forums to get more opinions.

So we've a lot of us have been putting lots of thought into this, and people seem to like the idea in general, but to sum up the forum discussion, we're not having an efficient time deciding on format.

Some opinion(s) on something this large from staff would be great, and, smart to get, yeah? -Novaster 01:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, also, can we get confirmation about the order of release for items? I've checked release/all but it doesn't mention everything :)/ -Novaster 21:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The wiki is a community project and in general we rely on the consensus of the player community for such decisions, unless it's something that goes against the style guide/policy. As for release, I'm afraid I don't have a way to find that information easily and sending a query to the developers is out of the question. However, I can take a look and see what I can find. Which items are the ones that need fact-checking? --Clotho 18:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Not sure yet, we've not tried to make all tables (since we're changing so much, it would be silly to do that work and have to change that too) - when we do, I'll post here. -Novaster 19:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Update: the armor lists are filled in, namewise - in what we believe is the DoR order. Verification would be nice once we get them all onto the same page :D -Novaster 22:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Images, Animation, and Mouse

So I had a thought - would it be at all possible to have any APNGs we upload to the wiki be frozen on the first frame - only animating if a user hovers their mouse over the image? I've seen this before around the intranetz but IDK how we would (or if we could) go about it on the wiki. Just a thought! Would be nice for new players wanting to get a good look at an item, but otherwise be un-distracted by movement on the page while they look at other things. -Novaster 07:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

This looks like a topic for discussion for the wiki editors forums. --Clotho 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Oki doki. If you're allowed to give staff opinion, what would be your opinion in general ;P? -Novaster 20:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to keep things as simple as possible. --Clotho 17:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Tabber

TL;DR: Sorry about all the junk templates and trashed pages I generate in this process. I am inspired.

-Novaster 02:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Icon for Crafting

The main wiki page has a silly icon for crafting...not been updated in a while.

Can we replace it with something more relevant? Like or a greyed out version of (since not all rarities are used crafting)?

The pickup vial is a little odd this late in the game. I think I can replace the actual image file myself, but the main page it's on doesn't allow editing, so I want to ask. -Novaster 22:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Changed. It may take a while for the cached image to update. --Clotho 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

This Image seems a bit wonky. Idk if it's important but I just found it going through categories and I can't tag it...which makes me think it's important :O (why is it in icky jpg eeeeew)-Novaster 05:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

also this one. -Novaster 05:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Outdated External Link

User:MtaxXx mentioned an outdated link on the discussion page of Account Security. -Novaster 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template Category Project

I'm attempting to put various templates into easy to navigate/understand categories, so users don't generate new templates when there might already be one they're looking for (something I did frequently when I was new here and would have appreciated as a nubbie editor). Understandably, I can't edit the Template:Showhide code - could you add [[Category:Showhide Templates]] to it? If I find more...specialized templates around the wiki that I can't edit so they fall into categories, I'll return here again. Thanks, -Novaster 15:18, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

It would be cool to do the [[Category:Showhide Templates|*]] thingie since it's the daddy template of these templates. -Novaster 15:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Organizing & Cleaning Category Images

This Image bothers me on so many levels. Bad tag, and it's not a true visual of the situation - that horizontal zigzag line doesn't appear in-game...I get what this image is meant to do but I don't think it's appropriate. The image is technically of an item, yes, in that it is of an item's...tooltip...thing...but compared to most other tag specifics, it just doesn't make sense. Could we delete this image...if not, could we change the tag to {{wiki image}}? I would just change the file that shows up on the Unique Variant page and add a delete tag myself, but this weird image is protected, so I need to check here first. -Novaster 04:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

There are lots of images in Category:Item images that don't have tags that make sense. I have {{text image}} and {{interface image}} tags that I think would be appropriate for most of these, but I can't edit some of them. -Novaster 05:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a list? --Clotho 17:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I do not. I've made/there are the following categories:

{{interface image}} if there's clickable button things or {{text image}} for if there's no clickable button things,

{{news image}}

{{obsolete image}}

{{screenshot image}}

and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.

Please change the tags of protected images as you see fit. I'd love to go through Category:Item images and Category:Official images and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't. Sorry for late reply, I didn't see that this page had changed - I should add it to my watchlist! -Novaster 11:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Modified edit: and I think "File:Unique variant.png" should just be deleted for reasons stated above.

I'd love to go through Category:Item images and Category:Official images and fix/add various tags, but yeah I can't.

Would it be best to unprotect files that are not sensitive regarding billing? Or just temporarily unprotect them so I can tag them? Early wiki days were weird. -Novaster 20:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

This is just a side thing. Destroying pages is probably higher on your list of things to do. I've managed to make another pile of them >,..,> -Novaster 20:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Winterfest Prize Box

1.5% - An Impostoclaus Hat and Winterfest Coat costume armor set! This exceptionally rare item gives you the look of the fabled Impostoclaus and lasts forever! (set includes both items) - by this, does it mean that the set came out (like both hat and coat) at the same time from a single unboxing at 1.5% chance? Nobody I know seems to remember. This information is totally super duper important. Totally. I'll have to slightly adjust templates if this is the case. -Novaster 21:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Confirming Anniversary Prize Box things

Did the "Anniversary Prize Box 2014" also have Party Blowouts, Party Hats, and Sprinkle Auras (like the Anniversary Prize Box) in addition to the newer Grand Toppers, Field Caps, and Plumed Caps? This Forum Post has the bulleted list a little iffy, and I've found a video here that shows Maskwell's list (so, no party hats etc. for straight up tokens, as I almost thought from that admin post). I don't have anything in my memory bank or files that can verify. Is there anywhere that lists the % chances for the Anniversary Prize Box 2014? Thanks, -Novaster 03:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The only information we have available is the forum post you linked and this page. --Clotho 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

aw shucks :(. I guess I'll just leave a note on the Anniversary Prize Box 2014 page about "unsure about the prize pool." Thanks for looking. -Novaster 04:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Icon Fixes

Catching my breath...

I've gone through and fixed several icons (and typos in redirects) around the wiki. That was...invisible work! I plan on "fixing" perks too, and a few other odds and ends. I wish this mentality were more common:

Just because something doesn't have an appearance in-game separate from its icon, doesn't mean it's fine to upload one without "icon" in the filename, otherwise tables can't be uniform and switches get quite silly (I looked at the switch I did for one of the tables, and was just like ALL RIGHT, TIME TO FIX THIS SILLYNESS like a few of us editors did for confetti and boxes).

Anyway, I ramble... All that's left is outdated filenames on the Supply Depot page, which is currently protected, so I can't edit it. Would you mind changing the filenames to the ones used on the wiki now (all examples on Rarity page)? Or you could unprotect the page (again, haha - like you did so I could link to Supply Depot Sale stuff). The risk here is that I might not be online when it's unprotected, I suppose.

Not gonna look at/fix materials. That's just too many files, the system works fine (making switches for something that consistently inconsistent-with-wiki isn't so bad), and nobody REALLY cares except my inner OCD Devilite and well, I'm only gonna be alive so long on this planet. The same sort of thing bothers me about "equipped" images...the days before tooltip rotations were dark indeed. Nope. Not worth anyone's time to "fix." Nope. Nooooope.

Thanks, -Novaster 11:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Probably-Shouldn't-Be-On-Wiki-Images

Copyright Risk - created that tag so admins can deal with these in bulk as editors use the tag. What should be done about these images? I'm 99% sure they're copyrighted. -Novaster 15:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I have just found the {{copyvio}} tag by chance working on another project. So, using that instead! I'll be working on a "how to wiki guide" pretty soon...so people can know that things like this already exist and not embarrass themselves. -Novaster 00:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)