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Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]].  '''If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum] instead.  If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the [[Support Portal]] to get help.'''
 
Archived discussions can be found [[User talk:Clotho/archive|here]].  '''If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7 Suggestions Forum] instead.  If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the [[Support Portal]] to get help.'''
  
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== Hey! About Official Image ==
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I was Equinox but he seems AFK, Novaster suggest me to ask here. I want to know about the official image's meaning. I want to upload [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Torto_Feb2014.png this] to the spanish wiki as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png". It is allowed?.
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* Yes, this is allowed. You may upload any image found in game, our official sites, including the wiki to the ES wiki. Please do remember to use tags! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Also, to make the same question here, should i re-upload the image as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png" here in the english wiki too?. I know you are busy so take ur time, i still have a lot to do in the spanish wiki and this can wait xD. Bye~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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* Not necessary if the image already exists. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Thx will do now so i wont forget it :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 16:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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==Artifacts==
 
==Artifacts==
 
We have recently been improving the [[Artifact]] page. As usual I made a mountain out of a molehill, but users really seem to like the new format because it caters to everyone (regarding wanting/not wanting "spoilers"), and we can stick artifact content anywhere it's needed around the wiki with ease now. So I feel it was well worth my time. I'm "fixing" the semi-disambiguation issue between [[Artifact]]s and [[The Artifact]]. It's not a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation true disambiguation issue] for editors, just a terminology similarity for general users. The [[Deluxe Starter Pack]] should link to the official arsenal term, as the Hatch Handle is an arsenal item, no matter the issues us editors fiddle with regarding how content is organized for user convenience. Right? TL;DR: please edit the link in the [[Deluxe Starter Pack]] to link to the true arsenal term. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 
We have recently been improving the [[Artifact]] page. As usual I made a mountain out of a molehill, but users really seem to like the new format because it caters to everyone (regarding wanting/not wanting "spoilers"), and we can stick artifact content anywhere it's needed around the wiki with ease now. So I feel it was well worth my time. I'm "fixing" the semi-disambiguation issue between [[Artifact]]s and [[The Artifact]]. It's not a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation true disambiguation issue] for editors, just a terminology similarity for general users. The [[Deluxe Starter Pack]] should link to the official arsenal term, as the Hatch Handle is an arsenal item, no matter the issues us editors fiddle with regarding how content is organized for user convenience. Right? TL;DR: please edit the link in the [[Deluxe Starter Pack]] to link to the true arsenal term. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Actually, if there is any legislation about Spiral Spy images outlining exactly why we can't use them, I'd like to have it added to the Style Guide so I can consistently answer the extremely common question "whyfor no spiralspy" editors and users ask me. [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=SpiralKnights%3AStyle_guide&diff=51009&oldid=44181 As it is now], it's just "no spiral spy images." That's like saying "You can't have a cookie because it will make you fat" minus the "because it will make you fat" part. The best staff-related stance (besides my prodding support in the past) I can find is [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/28604#comment-170809 this], which is why I keep prodding :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:34, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 
Actually, if there is any legislation about Spiral Spy images outlining exactly why we can't use them, I'd like to have it added to the Style Guide so I can consistently answer the extremely common question "whyfor no spiralspy" editors and users ask me. [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=SpiralKnights%3AStyle_guide&diff=51009&oldid=44181 As it is now], it's just "no spiral spy images." That's like saying "You can't have a cookie because it will make you fat" minus the "because it will make you fat" part. The best staff-related stance (besides my prodding support in the past) I can find is [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/28604#comment-170809 this], which is why I keep prodding :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:34, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 
* That post is as official as it gets, we can continue to refer to it when this comes. The reason is easy: we want our wiki using images from the game, not from third party sites. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 
* That post is as official as it gets, we can continue to refer to it when this comes. The reason is easy: we want our wiki using images from the game, not from third party sites. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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==Naming of "area"==
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There is a distinct in-game naming convention for places players can explore, such as "Wolver Den:Statusvariant" and "Lichenous Lair:statusvariant" and so on. We are trying to settle on a name for these things, and so far have [[:Category:Areas]]. I'd like to use the word "world," as it's more specific than "area" and opens up use of the word "area" for general use (as it should be), but [[:Category:worlds|the category was deleted in the past]], and it seems to be both a point of confusion for users and a sensitive wording issue with how staff wants their game to be understood based on the turmoil of deletions and edits. Is there a term staff would prefer us to use, now that the game is a lot more settled? Certain areas are "worlds" while others are not, according to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Clockwork_Tunnels&oldid=1256 this staff edit]. English doesn't really have a word for "a consistent geographical phenomenon which may or may not encompass an entire area or similar-themed areas at some point, and we only have access to small parts of the geographical phenomenon, and only sometimes." It's similar to very fast continental drift that used to have country/state borders but may or may not in the future. Heck, maybe "geographical phenomenon" would be best. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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*No official stance on this. A consensus should be reached in the forums. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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== Hey! About Official Image ==
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I was Equinox but he seems AFK, Novaster suggest me to ask here. I want to know about the official image's meaning. I want to upload [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Torto_Feb2014.png this] to the spanish wiki as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png". It is allowed?.
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* Yes, this is allowed. You may upload any image found in game, our official sites, including the wiki to the ES wiki. Please do remember to use tags! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Also, to make the same question here, should i re-upload the image as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png" here in the english wiki too?. I know you are busy so take ur time, i still have a lot to do in the spanish wiki and this can wait xD. Bye~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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* Not necessary if the image already exists. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Thx will do now so i wont forget it :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 16:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
  
 
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Hey again Clotho! I just fix the spanish template of the GuildInfo and yes, without the ":" works. Also, when you fix that, could you add '''<nowiki><noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude></nowiki>''' at the top of the [[:Template:GuildInfo/doc|documentation in the GuildInfo]] please? thx! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 
Hey again Clotho! I just fix the spanish template of the GuildInfo and yes, without the ":" works. Also, when you fix that, could you add '''<nowiki><noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude></nowiki>''' at the top of the [[:Template:GuildInfo/doc|documentation in the GuildInfo]] please? thx! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
  
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There is a distinct in-game naming convention for places players can explore, such as "Wolver Den:Statusvariant" and "Lichenous Lair:statusvariant" and so on. We are trying to settle on a name for these things, and so far have [[:Category:Areas]]. I'd like to use the word "world," as it's more specific than "area" and opens up use of the word "area" for general use (as it should be), but [[:Category:worlds|the category was deleted in the past]], and it seems to be both a point of confusion for users and a sensitive wording issue with how staff wants their game to be understood based on the turmoil of deletions and edits. Is there a term staff would prefer us to use, now that the game is a lot more settled? Certain areas are "worlds" while others are not, according to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Clockwork_Tunnels&oldid=1256 this staff edit]. English doesn't really have a word for "a consistent geographical phenomenon which may or may not encompass an entire area or similar-themed areas at some point, and we only have access to small parts of the geographical phenomenon, and only sometimes." It's similar to very fast continental drift that used to have country/state borders but may or may not in the future. Heck, maybe "geographical phenomenon" would be best. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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*No official stance on this. A consensus should be reached in the forums. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 15:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Please move the following to the following:
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*[[:File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Standard_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Standard Supply Pack.png]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Compact Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Compact_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Compact Supply Pack.png]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png]] to [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=File:Crafting-Deluxe_Supply_Pack.png File:Crafting-Deluxe Supply Pack.png]
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The should show up in the table on the [[Supply Pack]] page when that page is saved after the moves.
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*General: Bad filenames. These items are not equipment. Also, there is an annoying space after the hyphen. Editors should be able to use the proper linking templates. Shame on my 2013 self. Shame.
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*Every other mat has Crafting-blahblah for its name, even though not all materials are used in crafting, and even though they are icons they don't have icon in the name. Just goin with the old norm 'cause it's too much of a hassle to change these to be "right," especially when nobody sees the filename except editors and the ultra curious. Same ocd issue with BlahBlah-Equipped after tooltips were introduced. After moving the files, please delete the originals after all "what links here" are taken care of. I'll post here when that's done.
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*We want to retain file history, because some people like old icons and time stamps - a discussion we've already agreed on :)
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I'll probably ask something about OCH in a bit that involves billing on its own subpage and unprotecting the actual mission page.
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Thanks! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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: I'm getting an internal error qhen trying to move the files. It's possible the move will not be possible. Sorry! --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 16:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::Okay, I shall tackle it best I can with the permissions I have. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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:Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:
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*[[:File:Equipment- Standard Supply Pack icon.png]]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Compact Supply Pack icon.png]]
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*[[:File:Equipment- Deluxe Supply Pack icon.png]]
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==Operation Crimson Hammer==
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Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and [[Operation Crimson Hammer]] (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has [[Billing]] information. My solution to this problem:
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Create the subpage: [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]] and protect that.
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Have <nowiki>{{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}}</nowiki> in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).
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Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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: That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --[[User:Clotho|Clotho]] 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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::That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create [[Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing]], protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): ''OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.''
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Revision as of 15:24, 3 October 2015

Archived discussions can be found here. If you have a suggestion for Spiral Knights, please use the Suggestions Forum instead. If you need assistance with your account, use the links on the Support Portal to get help.

Hey! About Official Image

I was Equinox but he seems AFK, Novaster suggest me to ask here. I want to know about the official image's meaning. I want to upload this to the spanish wiki as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png". It is allowed?.

  • Yes, this is allowed. You may upload any image found in game, our official sites, including the wiki to the ES wiki. Please do remember to use tags! --Clotho 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, to make the same question here, should i re-upload the image as "SpiralKnights_News_106-big.png" here in the english wiki too?. I know you are busy so take ur time, i still have a lot to do in the spanish wiki and this can wait xD. Bye~ --Hikaru 23:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Not necessary if the image already exists. --Clotho 15:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Thx will do now so i wont forget it :) --Hikaru 16:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

GuildInfo

A small request - did some template cleaning and organization. Can't edit the code of Template:GuildInfo. Please add Category:Infobox templates to its <noinclude> section. --Novaster 21:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Added! --Clotho 15:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for bump in to this but i think there is (somehow) an error in the Template:GuildInfo, for some reason it add the link but not as category, maybe if add it like [[Category:blahblah]] and not like [[:Category:blahblah]] would work? --Hikaru 16:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Probably a good idea to try the template in a sandbox. Once finalized, please let me know and I'll be happy to add the final version. Thank you! --Clotho 16:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey again Clotho! I just fix the spanish template of the GuildInfo and yes, without the ":" works. Also, when you fix that, could you add <noinclude>{{documentation subpage}}</noinclude> at the top of the documentation in the GuildInfo please? thx! --Hikaru 23:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


Supply Pack Icons

I did what is likely the next best thing to a move. Wiki just needs to tick through its silly cache issues and it will be smooth sailing. The bad filenames are ready for deletion now, nothing links to them. Thanks for trying! Computers can be so feisty sometimes. They definitely have moods. Now to pester about OCH options for the next...future time unit(s).--Novaster 18:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Organized section better so it's more clear. Fire the deletion laser at the following files:

Operation Crimson Hammer

Okay! As you can see, several of us are working on getting anything mission related up to date, and Operation Crimson Hammer (OCH) is a mission - expansion subtype. Editors really need to be able to edit this page, because it is a large part of the game and connected to several things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only reason it's locked to general editors is because it has Billing information. My solution to this problem:

Create the subpage: Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing and protect that.

Have {{main|Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing}} in an acquisition section somewhere on the OCH page, and let the main OCH page be edited by us (unprotect it).

Unless it was protected for some other reason? Could we have a similar solution(s) for that if so?

Thanks,

--Novaster 11:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That page is linked to our billing documentation therefore it needs to be protected in full, not just part of it. An alternative would be to make the changes in a sandbox, once ready, let me know and I'll update the changes in the page itself. --Clotho 17:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
That's going to be a bit difficult. Editors really need to be able to freely edit a page that's such a large interactive and dynamic part of the game. That makes a lot of hassle to unprotect/protect a page on staff end over time. It's not possible to create Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing, protect that, and then adjust billing documentation to link to that page instead? If not, I'll have to work something out on our end, but it likely won't be as pretty. --Novaster 17:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Quoted from email to support (regarding my inability to log in for a day or so, but another employee resolved the ticket so you might not have seen this): OCH issue: make a billing page about OCH, named "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" and protect it. This page would be a page in its own right and be able to be fully protected. Attempt to make billing documentation link to this "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page instead of the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page. Unprotect the "Operation Crimson Hammer" page indefinitely and make sure it always links to the "Operation Crimson Hammer/Billing" page. This is because OCH is a major part of the game and editors need to be able to edit it freely. This method of billing protection as a subpage with a main expansion mission page should work for future expansion releases. Just imagine having to protect/unprotect OCH and any future expansions every time the game changes and editors need to update aspects of this/those page(s) - awful, right? Other editors seem to agree with me, and they should write a response on your (Clothos') talk page soon. Additional requests/details in the #subsection ("Operation Crimson Hammer") on your (Clotho's) talk page.

--Novaster 21:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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