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Acquisiton 1.0

We are working on populating User:HexZyle/Template:RecipeLocation with data for equipment items. If you wish to help with this format (I think you do, based on Template talk:Page/Weapon), mimic this format exactly for each item. Discussion about this format can be found here, please stick with this format. It's been worked through quite meticulously considering all the standardized acquisition scenarios we can think of.

• Do not implement the template in the mainspace - after we've added all the item entries, we will put all the coding content into an appropriately named template.
• Then we begin the next phase - implementation. Each page needs thorough checking to make sure no methods are missed, as the template is implemented. It will be an arduous process.

If there's something weird about an item, talk about it here. I'll be adding various examples that are not vendors (such as prize boxes) and improving the system with a Brinks template after lunch today. --Novaster 16:57, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I dunno there existed one xD! I found all these template and text in some of the gun-sword-shield list, i was confused at first that just some had a template (like Machine) and others doesnt (just the text) but trough, like u said, was low priority, but didnt think i could be used un a complete template. Seems cool! What can i do :D? I will number a few things and u tell me if i do or do not.

Things i need to remember for the Template

1. Keep "Vendors who sell the recipe for this item:" in all items (and "Vendors who sell this item:" too)
2. In case of "Reward" and "Vendor", i keep this: *The recipe for this item is a reward for completing the {{mission|Sewer Stash}} (bound)"
3. And if its just an item (no recipe) i change it like: *This item is a reward for completing the {{mission|Sewer Stash}} (bound)"
4. Add a tempalte for Santuary Machine like the Mysterious one
5. When its PrizeBox or Machine (Santuary or Mysterious) i dont add anything (like "Vendors who sell the recipe for this item" and etc)
6. Do i compile information from the actual pages to make the template?
7. Items that will go there are Armour (Without the news from gunnerupdate), Helmet (i guess the same as armour), Shields, Bombs, Handguns and Sword right? With all an their skins?

Order of the Information

1. SignUp/Bundles/Especial
2. Mission Reward
   1. Item
   2. Recipe
3. Item (Vendors)
   1. Bazaar Vendor (Alphabetical)
4. Recipe (Vendors)
   1. Basil (plus lobby)
   2. HoHVendor (Alphabetical)
   3. Bazaar Vendor (Alphabetical)
5. Rare Drop/Others

--Hikaru 19:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

That seems right, except do NPCs alphabetically. Do a few entries and I'll check them. After that you will be a mindless robot. --Novaster 19:31, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Aye~Aye~ then! Thx x3!--Hikaru 19:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, for the compiled information, yes, just basically put it into the new format in the template...making sure the methods are legitimate/up to date in-game wouldn't hurt, but I don't think we've had any major updates regarding changes to this...at least, not like materials. Whew. --Novaster 19:59, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I will edit it in an outside note (in my pc) after i have all i will check, which would be the tedious part. --Hikaru 20:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Order of the Template

Btw, before starting, should i add them per item? Like, >Helmet>Shield>Bomb>Handgun>Swords and stars?. Like, Aegis and Ancient Plate are 5* shields, acheron is 5* and avenger is 4*. So it will be in that order and not: Acheron, Aegis, Ancient and Avenger. Which one should i use? (I know the all "A" in alphabetical is the actual one but seems like it is better to find if its by type and then star, or just type seems good too) --Hikaru 20:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't matter since it's an internal template. Do whatever is easier for editors. By item type would likely be a lot better. (I would keep reskins as their own type, regardless of the item's actual type). --Novaster 20:33, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

For me, its easy if its by Type (then Star) because i dont get lost easily, i would keep Reskins as the 7th type then, after sword so everything seems in an order --Hikaru 20:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Acquisition 2.0

Template for Vendors

I have also reworded vendors so that they have the same kind of information. New templates:

Template:Greave

These are working very well. You/me can make templates for the other vendors easily and carefully add them to the acquisition template. One thing that concerns me now is the size of the acquisition template. It would probably be smart to split it into Acquisition/Defense, Acquisition/Offense, Acquisition/Misc (for trinkets and other misc items). --Novaster 22:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

About new vendor's template seems good :D, but there is not a way to add greave (and the other vendors, not vatel ofc) in the same Bazaarvendor's template? same as Greave individualy but all in one. I think, right now, Greave's template will work like: (Greave|randomly|2) right? dunno if there is a way to be: (BazaarVendor|Greave|randomly|2) dunno if that its better or would be a mess XD. Ofc Vatel is foreveralone with its own template cuz he sells recipes but others seems to have the same pattern of prices and the randomly/always is already in the code. Btw i like that u change the HoHVendor, the name= and star= wasnt so necesary, i find it simplier now :D. Did u make the change in the master template? i couldnt do much yersterday after afternoon and its the same for today xD but tomorrow will be different. I can help with making the code for the other's vendor but want to ask first what u think of BaazarVendor with the 4 (i think there are four of them) of vendors --Hikaru 23:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I think we should do each relevant vendor in BaazarVendor, to be similar to HoH. And yes I made the change to the master template with the HoHvendor. I am leaning more towards PAGENAME for universal use. What do you think? --Novaster 23:37, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Here are the new Vendor's templates:

Template:Kragen

Template:Ricasso

Template:Quillion

--Hikaru 23:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Okay, been messing around with the coding, it will be better to have the bazaar vendors in their own templates for flexibility due to their different kinds of items. HoHVendors all have recipes with 100% consistent pricing patterns (thank goodness, otherwise we'd try to go after "that one vendor who happens to pay more/sell for less" and have to template that! ew). --Novaster 00:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Hahaha yeah! the HoH is simple because of that but would be horrible if it have all diferent prices OTL! haha. I like it the way it is now haha --Hikaru 00:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I see this happening in a few phases now. First we make the vendor templates, then we make the acquisition templates, move the data from the master template into them, and gradually populate them/error check, then implement/error check. So what I would do is pick a vendor who's not greave or vatel and start making a template for them that's like Template:Vatel. I'll work out the kinks with Greave, and remove the use of Template:Vatel/Recipe. --Novaster 00:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Hold off a sec, I have to make a switch for "always" vs. "randomly" --Novaster 00:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Should be good to replicate code now. --Novaster 00:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

So i can take Greave's template and work with it for the rest (Kragen and etc) right? ofc i have to end the acquisition page too xD couldnt do anything today :( --Hikaru 0133, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Do things as you have time. And yes, the code should be good for duplication with stranger vendor templates. --Novaster 02:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay then x3! I will work with that :) -Hikaru 02:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Main Templates

Anywho I'm quite divided on the manner. PAGENAME is great and easy and will take some time to do and be a bit repetitive internally, but (potentially, if the game updates with changes) a hassle to update down the road. Star switches take advantage of patterns and are easy in that way, but can't be as easily universally used and their implementation is likely to have more error.--Novaster 22:37, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi~ Well, i was thinking something like that xD acquisition's template is big but didnt know in how many parts slipt it. Defense (Helmet, Armour and Shield right?), Offense (Bomb, Handgun and Swords right?) and Misc (Trinkets and more, anything that doesnt belong in the first two) sounds good :3! The page wouldnt be so heavy and would be easy to look for an item if changes are needed. --Hikaru 23:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

To be consistent with the material page and most other page templation, perhaps we should name the templates Weapon/Acquisition etc. instead of Acquisition/Weapon.--Novaster 23:51, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah :D also the material page have Material/Acquisition so it would make sense :). --Hikaru 00:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Split

Okay, feel free to divide into:

Template:Armor/Acquisition

Template:Helmet/Acquisition

Template:Shield/Acquisition

Template:Bomb/Acquisition

Template:Handgun/Acquisition

Template:Sword/Acquisition

Template:Reskin/Acquisition

Template:Trinket/Acquisition

Template:Misc/Acquisition (a little weird)

It will take some time, I think. Let me know if there's problems. As you can imagine, I'm swamped with sapphires right now. --Novaster 22:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Haha i was about to ask for this! xD page is getting a problem with the weight haha. I see u was busy with sapphire, u were right xD. Im gonna do it then :) after im done adding the reward's adc' im going to split them :) do i split them with A-B-C-etc right? or star? --Hikaru 23:08, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I would prefer following the order that's on each item type's page (such as Armor). But since you're doing the work, do what's easier for you. --Novaster 22:30, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Armor's list (and the others) are in release's order right? i will do it like that :P. --Hikaru 23:08, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Basil Data

Hello there! I've volunteered to Novaster to be the slave, I mean wiki editor assistant, as far as Basil goes. =P Maybe my legwork can help you as well. I will be visiting Basil daily to check for recipes, so if you want I can keep you posted. Also the format in which Novaster made the list of recipes in Mission: In Cold Blood looks much better than the old format, so I will implement his format into other Missions recipes list. See you! -- MissNice 19:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi~ i was seeing the news, yesterday i couldnt log and tomorrow saturday and maybe sunday would be the same :(. Still i will work today, i was about to begin with basil ^^! I want do to novaster's template (Mission: In Cold Blood) too. But dunno which one data will u gather, basil's mission lobby or basil's arcada or both?. And yes i would like to see what u get ^^! U can keep writing me here~ --Hikaru 19:33, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Nice job on the templates! =) If you want, I can gather both data from Mission lobbies and Tier recipes. This just means i'll be ingame a lot, taking screenshots of Basil's recipes, checking for changes/patterns/other. If there is something specific you or Novaster want me to do, you can tell me. Until then, I'll be becoming Basil's new best friend. =P --MissNice 09:22, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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So, today I've managed to check Basil's inventory from a few Mission Lobbies. Since I don't have time anymore, rather than to show you piece by piece data I've gathered, I'll message you tomorrow in one nice chunk all of Basil's inventory from Missions Lobbies, so I can cross Lobbies off my list, so I can move onto next big thing that really interests me and that is content of Basil's inventory in all Tiers and their random/maybeNotRandom/whoKnows rotation. Cheers! ---MissNice 14:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks like Hikaru already did this work - mission lobbies are the same for everyone. Wouldn't want you to spend the time/trouble doing something redundant. I would suggest utilizing Recent Changes or looking through Hikaru's contribs to see work that's been done. That being said, double checking the work is definitely worth doing. --Novaster 16:25, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the links Novaster, you really try to be helpful, that's nice of you. =) And yes it's true, as far as I can see most of the recipes have already been checked and written by Hikaru. However, Basil holds more than just recipes in his inventory as we all know, capsules, vials and vitapods. Well, since Basil's page needs to get updated, well why not writing all that he has in his inventory in Mission Lobbies? Just because recipes are more important and it's something most people would want to look for, that doesn't mean we should ignore the rest, since some people actually do buy capsules and vitapods upfront. So I figured I would collect that data as well. It would be nice to see those written in the Wiki as well. But it's up to you guys to decide. Either way, the data is right here: User:MissNice#Basil (I didn't want to clutter your message board here, so instead it's all in the link). Cheers! --MissNice 16:42, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Format Rewards

I have it like:

*Completion Reward:
:The recipe for this item is a reward for completing the {{Mission|NAME}} (bound/unbound)

*Completion Reward:
:This item is a reward for completing the {{Mission|NAME}} (bound/unbound)

Its okay? i saw in Emberbreak Shield that it was just: *The recipe for this item is a reward for completing the {{Mission|NAME}} (bound/unbound) --Hikaru 23:08, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Since there's only one entity in the "list" of this method of acquisition, I had it as a single bullet above vendors. Certain items only have one vendor, but consistency is better. I don't really know if there's an official formal format for this, perhaps instead of "completion reward" have "other" and have it below vendors? --Novaster 22:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I see it over vendors like the best way cuz is the easier way to get them xD. But i can add it with a * and erase de Completion Reward: and do the same with Bundle:. Seems better --Hikaru 23:08, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Categories and Stalking lol

For the Basil subpages, I need to make a category just to keep track of them easily. I can add the cat to what's already been made if this is annoying, just be sure to add them to new pages as they're made. I didn't have this before because I wasn't sure we would use this format, but people really seem to like it! --Novaster 21:15, 4 September 2015 (UTC) Okay, I think I found them all. Add me in-game (IGN: Novaster) so we can talk easier there. --Novaster 21:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay then~ i will add u when i log in. Im going to travel from lobby to lobby to gather basil's info and make them in to templates --Hikaru 22:15, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Basil's gonna be like "So uh, you gonna buy anything?" ... "Nope" *clicks pen after staring and taking notes.* --Novaster 22:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

They gonna ban us for stalking poor basil --Hikaru 22:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Memoramdum

Do not refer to the format on published pages. If it's the same, it's just coincidence or leftovers from testing when this project had higher priority. Stick to the examples already in the template. --Novaster 23:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok then, so * and : in the template. And from now i will ask in ur talk page. I just dont want to make spam in ur page. Wish this could have like a mini tiny chat lol sorry. --Hikaru 23:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Lore

For a not-soon-to-be-made (maybe-probably-never-happen) if i have time and everything seems pretty. It would be nice to have a "History" page. I havent read complety the history (from mission) but would be nice. With the Dialogues u made seems like a good choice. As u said with the mission page "like a book" i think in that but in the history timeline or something like that. Ofcourse that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far away haha but after the edits u made seems like it wouldnt be so bad cuz adding dialogues would be easily :P and artific now have their own templates --Hikaru 00:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I like to use Release/all and maintain the News page, but there's lots of things they don't make patch notes about. Unless you mean like, lore history, of almire and whatnot. That stuff is all over the place, and yes, an article linking to and summarizing lore/history would be sweet. --Novaster 00:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh look I found this. It's a start. --Novaster 00:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I had to google that! New Word to me haha. That is what i meant! In a... Timeline format or an informative format something like, a page to talk only about the history of the game, now i know "Lore" would capsule all what i was saying haha. Im a dork for those thing haha but ofcourse, i prefer organizing the information that is like a future-not-soon-proyect i would like to help with :)!--Hikaru 00:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Echo Stone

I'm not sure how to go about the format of echo stone showhides.

 Echo Stone: Gloaming Wildwoods

A smooth, white stone recovered in the Sanctuary. Holding it, you hear a voice within your mind:

I DREAM...

WITHIN MY DREAM I SAW IT OPEN THE VOID, FELT ITS ENDLESS HUNGER.

YOU ARE SAFE HERE, KNIGHT.
WITHIN THIS DREAM, ITS MANY EYES CANNOT SEE YOU NOR CAN ITS MANY ARMS REACH YOU.

BUT THIS DREAM IS FLEETING. USE WHAT IS HERE TO PREPARE FOR THE BATTLE TO COME.
IT KNOWS OF YOU NOW. IT WILL FIND A WAY OUT AND COME FOR YOU.

There's an example. Thoughts? Trying to find a balance between mimicking the in-game interface and being usable on the wiki. Recon modules were easier, echo stones are weird. Might end up just simplifying it. --Novaster 05:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I dont see anything that will affect the wiki, actually mimicking the game interface is something that makes them nice :). But sadly i dont know how much echo stone mimic the game cuz i have never been in Shadow Lair u//u! Buuuut the Recon Module mimic the in-game perfectly (taking in count what wiki can make and not) So for those that have not went to Shadow Lair is a good thing that can see at least how will it look :3 --Hikaru 06:07, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah it's this whole interactive thing that takes up the whole screen D: --Novaster 06:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

But it looks good on a screen from tablet/cellphone/etc and from a normal computer, even with 1024x768 resolutions, it fit xD. Well i saw the page in my phone (The screen is not huge but neither is small) and in my computer i have 1920x1080 resolution but i resizer the window to test it and still is enough space :P! Maaaaybe, 800x600 will see snuggly but in phone looks good so 800x600 would be okay too --Hikaru 06:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Area Format

We are developing a format for areas - here if you want to feedback. --Novaster 23:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The mistakes is the awesome part hahaha, no need to check one by one which is awesome :D! I was reading the post, i already voted and give a feedback of what i think :P --Hikaru 00:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Coolio. --Novaster 00:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)