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(order. Its funny seeing all this and think "did i do that?" lol i dont recall most of it xd, this is definitively a time machine. Also, i realice NOW that i say that word in Spanglish....Proyecto + Project = Proyect lmao)
 
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Here are discussions about the proyects im helping. ''Note: Most of the Sections have been edited to look good in this format, so i can check the messages better''.<br>
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Here are discussions about the projects im helping. ''Note: Most of the Sections have been edited to look good in this format, so i can check the messages better''.<br>
 
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===[[File:Defense increased.png|25px|Active]] [Proyect] Acquistion Sections===
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===[[File:Icon-specials.png|25px|Done!]] [Project] Missions===
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Some subpages are lacking maps and gallery but aside from that, all the missions have their own page with the gate map so i call it complete~
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==Mission Pages==
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Your work on [[Faith in Armor]] is great! Thanks! As you can imagine, there's a lot of work to do there. Many missions don't even have their own pages V_V. It's been a long slow project over the past few months - the best thing about the mission overhaul IMO is the [[:Category:Gate Maps|Gate Maps]] (something I've wanted, and wanted to do, ever since I was a newbie) as well as the ability to just click through individual missions using the preceded/followed by section in the infobox. Like reading a book! It will get all of my focus after this acquisition project. Feel free to work on mission pages if you want, of course. 0 pressure. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Hey~ Thx ^^ i did one just in case but maybe i can help adding the format to the existences one and yes! The "Previous/Next Mission" was a really cool idea instead of going again to the mission list :D that was something i like when i saw the format ^^! The mission's format is really great, tbh most of the new format were the principal motive why i start wanting to edit, to help making everything look that nice :D! I will try to help in the proyects while i can ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:42, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Parameter Gallery==
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Leave out the <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki> parameter if the level is randomly generated segments, unless it has a special scenario players always run into (such as the one in An Occurrence at Owlite Keep). Looks like you're having fun! I should have some time tomorrow to do some things...then...be gone for a long time ;n; --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Ohh ok then! Random = <nowiki>'''Gallery'''</nowiki>, if isnt random then the <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki>. I was going to ask too, host rank means when players can access to that mission (color image and start available) or when players can see the mission but cant enter (gray color with a lock image)?. Hahah yeah i decided to help the more i can with that, i have some dialogues for newest mission i need to transcribe too ^^. Dont be sad, u have a well winning vacations for all the great things u have done in this wiki :3! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 03:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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::Nothing uses <nowiki>'''Gallery'''</nowiki> anymore, only use <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki>. I fixed that up a while back because it was such a consistent entry it deserved its own parameter. Only use the <nowiki>|gallery=</nowiki> parameter for randomly generated areas in the situation outlined above. Of course, we always use it for set maps. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 14:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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=="Boss Stratum Missions"==
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Heads up - we want to make sure the chronology of these areas is very clear. Be sure to include a notes section on mission pages, including release date. For missions which drop the player directly into a boss stratum, refer to [[Shadow of the Beast]] for examples of wording in the notes section. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh yeah, i trough that when i saw there wasn't page for boss missions but, i dunno, i see its easier if i put the format just to be filled later so when i start my run-mule would be easy to see what is missing and what not. I put the needs update's tag to each of ones im adding without basic info--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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::Sounds efficient. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:37, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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:::Im doing it cuz i know im going to work in them later, at least people would now that its a WiP xD. Im been slow this day but luckily i will start filling the info faster :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:06, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Complicated Missions==
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So, many missions (mostly Dangerous Prestige) have extremely complex areas one after another, but the map is set. I don't think editors would like cropping out sections of a fixed map, so I came up with a potential solution - check out [[Talk:Heart_of_Ice#Third_Floor|Heart of Ice: Amu-Sol]]. Of course, where the red text is, would be screenshots of the relevant area. Conveniently, the mini map will show the map segment the area is in, and it will always be included in the screenshot. I feel that this data is desired, because several of these pages have the data in some way, added by editors in the past. We're just organizing it. Of course, major entities such as Maulos will end up on their own pages, as part of the [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/111580 monster overhaul]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 17:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh yeah, bosses will definitive need their own page and category. I like the format, it is easy and useful, but dunno if would look better with a show/hide (dunno maybe im loving show/hide too much haha) I really doubt i could make danger mission's gallery because i suck at those xD but who knows-- Oh and u didnt tell me about the Host rank parametre --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 09:13, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Format==
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==Format Tips==
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*The Mission Goal it is almost always "Get to the elevator."
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*And yeah we really have to improve the notes/exploration sections of these pages/floors. Basically, put notes in the notes section.
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*Monsters don't belong in the exploration section at all, as they have their own section.
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*Runthrough tips don't belong in the exploration section.
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*[[Exploration]] entities as well as explaining the geography of the area belongs in this section.
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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:I think i understand now :P it confused me just a little the 1A 2A and those but i prefer to ask if i get to take some screen for the galleries.
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:I can do the map color ^^! i was thinking in how u do it and i was right xD and HUDless would be usefull but i dont think that option wouldnt be available in a near/long future.
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:One question, what u mean by: "...with as many things as standardized as possible..." and "...I've been trying to take pictures of normal, statusless areas..." i didnt get those things xD. Dunno what u meant with "standardized" and "normal, statusless"--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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::So like...I would prefer to take a picture in "Clockwork Tunnels: Wild Path" instead of "Blast Furnace: Wild Path." --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Monster Order==
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I see u move some mobs, it is because i have to put them like:<br>
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{{Monster_Icons|Beast}} Beast<br>
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{{Monster_Icons|Construct}} Construct<br>
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{{Monster_Icons|Fiend}} Fiend<br>
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{{Monster_Icons|Gremlin}} Gremlin<br>
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{{Monster_Icons|Slime}} Slime<br>
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{{Monster_Icons|Undead}} Undead<br>
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but not by mob-alphabetic? (Like [[Frostifur_Fandango#Third_Floor|here]] that u add Wolver and then Alpha Wolver without being A first to W?)--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Yes, alphabetize monsters within family as well as by family. I've been trying to keep it organized by family at least. It's a huge project so it's difficult to do everything correctly the first time. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:05, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Monster Template==
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Oh it's fine. We improved a few things. Major changes include map naming convention and the use of [[Template:Monster]] as a linking template. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Ohh i like the Monster template :D no need to add the icons all over the wiki. I will fix the mission's page now and see which one is lacking of this template ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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::IKR! Half a day of coding to take care of an eternity of potential mistakes. It's also faster. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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==How to make Maps==
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It's an incredibly tedious cropping process. Someone wrote a script a long time ago, before we had the overlay, but I have not tried it.
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*Then I color the map in with the same colors as the minimap so it's all clear.
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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==How to take Screens==
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How do you "follow" a format to take screens? I created a char to make screns and gather dialogues but how do i begin? (Btw, this can be in some days first i am going to add the format to almost all and other things but just so i know :D) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Well what I do is:
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*Type '''/cle''' into the chatbox (to remove text and take care of privacy issues and clutter)
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*Collapse the side menus that display your mail/forge etc, and take the screenshot with Print Screen command.
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*I try to take a screenshot with as many things as standardized as possible (for [[User:Novaster/Sandbox|my personal sandbox]] project I've been trying to take pictures of normal, statusless areas and update them whenever I remember to do so).
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* also remove monster HP bars as these clutter the shot, but I know a few of pics have these bars. I really wish players had a HUDless option so we could take [[:File:Graveyard.png|pictures like this]].
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*Oh and I'll have graphics on high, of course.
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Image's Names==
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As far as naming goes, I have been tryyyyyyyyyyyying to do it like so: [[:File:Area-Toy Soldiers-Production Center-1A.png|Area-MISSION-FLOOR.png]], or just [[:File:Map-Clockwork Tunnels-L-1A.png|Area-AREA-Segment.png]] As far as I can tell, the number/letter system (the -1A, -2A bit) I came up with a while ago is more annoying than useful, so just using nothing, 2,3 might be better. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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==Floor Wording==
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I did a few fixes here and there, but I have to go for tonight. These are tiny finicky things that ultimately don't matter, but are nice to keep consistent. Which is better wording, do you think -
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"This floor is composed of random AREANAME segments." or "An area similar to AREANAME"?
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We can't just say "This floor is AREANAME," because missions do not have [[scenario room]]s in the random pool for level creation, so they are not truly AREANAME. We settled on the second one when we made gate maps (mostly), but I think the first one in general makes more sense. To save work, we'd stick with the second one. But it seems a little vague, and that's not good for a wiki, now that I'm looking at it later. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Ohh get it now! Thx ^^ i too like details so i can understand :D i will keep it them like "An area similar to AREANAME" then ^^. Will try my best, after i work sometimes in an specific format (like main list or mission page) it seems like its better to keep somethings to last, at least for me, cuz at the end of fixing all mission page, u can think "well, the mayority of the page have X thing so i can add it like X to all" and keep the consistence that, even if its not big deal, details make everything beutiful haha. I too will go to sleep soon so have a good nite~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 02:31, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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::Had a talk with another editor, we feel that the "This floor is composed of random AREANAME segments" is best. I shall make a template to use for this phrase and area linking...probably tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 03:47, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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:::Well I got inspired and did it. [[Template:Area|here's the template]] and I've fixed up all the gate maps and floor templates. Likely made a few mistakes, feel free to check (please do). Use the area template for mission pages in the floor template's exploration section, they should pretty much be copy pastes from the Gate Map, though don't mention monsters in the exploration section. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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::::Yeah i saw ^^! Sorry i didnt reply, wasnt in the computer. Im gonna use this format then :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Hurray~. I'm working on the gloaming maps atm. So many little corners! The artifact project I've started shouldn't take long to complete. I'm looking forward to cleaning up the page...hopefully it won't blow up into a huge project! haha. But I'd like for users to have easier access to this content. If it's on the NPC and mission pages as well as the commemorative artifact page, I think a lot more people will be exposed to it more often. What do you think? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Oh i didnt see the recent changes till now, finally shadow of the beast have content :D. I like the Artifact added to the mission page. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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===[[File:Icon-specials.png|25px|Done!]] [Project] NPCs Pages===
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{{Showhide|Main|content=
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==NPCs==
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So these projects really spread into each other don't they? Wiki is a giant forest full of weeds and things that need trimming. I finally got around to making the NPC infobox (something I mentioned doing idk, in January 2015? lol). I've made documentation for it and implemented it on [[Vaelyn]]'s page. The reason gallery is before wares/dialogue is because those are list format entries, and can extend quite a ways down, and we like to end lists with only "see also" so users are less likely to miss things, or have to scroll to get to additional important information that's not part of list(s). This format is all over the wiki, as per...some discussion on the forums somewhere. Examples are found on individual costume and accessory pages and uh...other places. Items such as the [[Node Slime Crusher]] and stuffs. Anyway this should make the pages look really clean, so if you/other editors feel the need to work on NPCs, there's now a standard to go by. I think this is the last thing that was on my mind to get settled before I leave tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Yeah i was seeing :D! Vaelyn's page looks clean now. I love the infobox, they are really useful. And yeah XD its huge, i was like "lalala" in the missions and then pump into NPCs so i was like "uhmm.... vaelyn is so pretty, let me fix her page" and then Konway appear too, then Feron and i was like "ok maybe i need to fix some NPCs before moving on into missiones..." xD. Glad u add that cuz i was about to fix almost all NPC's page xD. Oh and btw, i was thinking in where i have seen Kora overworld to get a clean screen of her mugshot, do u remember? i cant xD only in comlinks. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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::Kora's in Hall of Heroes I think, the last one where they're all clapping. So, the template should work for complicated characters such as [[Herex]], who is fought as a boss only sometimes, let me know if there's any issues. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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:::You're doing a great job! I'm just denying that I have to be in the air in a few hours because my ears don't like flying. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 12:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC individual vs. multiple==
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Hey there, still on vacation, but I had a moment here. If the NPC is a type of NPC, it needs to be in list format. For example, Nature Sprites and Spiral Wardens are types of NPCs, while "Virgil" is the name of a spiral warden type NPC. The difference becomes difficult to discern when the representatives of an NPC "species" or "race" or "type" don't have their own names, simply using the npc type in the dialogue box. I set up a demo format on [[Lost Soul of Almire]] and [[Lost Soul (Skull)]] pages, hoping to improve on the [[stranger]] page format (Which is horribly out of date and should not be redirected to "strangers", and be "Stranger," as per wiki MoS), but didn't get to it before vacation. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Hey Nova~! Well [[User:Thepc|Thepc]] warning me about it, but i didnt know Nature Sprite would be in list format. I wanted to left Spiral Warden at the end to make it good. I can leave Spiral Warden and Nature Sprite as list (aaaaand dunno if would be the same with Knight, Gremlins, Bosses and etc) but i didnt get it, should i change Strangers for Stranger (move the page) and list ALL strangers there? BUT their pages remain the same? as Individuals? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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'''P.D.:''' Bosses remain with Boss template or should i change? Feels like to change it but dunno --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br>
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'''P.D:''' [[Strangers]] is that what you were saying? x//x --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 07:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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::It's looking like my vacation is going to be cut short, so, you can just leave it till then. Should be half a week or so before I get back. Maybe Thurs. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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:::Ohh i see, that was pretty short :o! Well i will keep doing a few things then :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm just staring at recent changes procrastinating doing laundry. I will likely get to polishing the NPC stuff later today or tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:07, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Hey there x3! haha i imagine! Was looking foward to it x3! But take your time, today im working in the spanish wiki and tomorrow i will be busy so i will can't <!-- Will can't doesnt sound like a good word buuuut i cant remember the correct one xD --> help you. Eat, rest so tomorrow you will be frash and ready :o! haha --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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{{Showhide|Main Format|content=
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==NPC Page Format v. 3.0==
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[[Vaelyn|Boop]]. So NPCs that don't use equipment (knights or otherwise) would just use a paragraph format to describe them within the new [[:Template:Appearance]], similar to but not as involved as, say, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Biology this description of Bulbasaur on Bulbapedia]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:30, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Seems good to me :D but i find "redundant" the ''<nowiki>(Icon) [[Armor]]: Information</nowiki>'' what about ''<nowiki>(Icon *with link and alttext*): Information</nowiki>''. Icons speak for themselves aaaaand in a weird case that someone doesnt know what that icon means, they can click and the link page will tell them. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::Hmm, so, try viewing the most recent version of Vaelyn's page. Is that better? I'm a bit annoyed by the lack of a uniform weapon icon, so I'm just using the sword for now since it's iconic for the whole game anyway. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::The Sword, as i read the main list of swords, its the "main" weapon of Spiral Knight, so i think the sword icon is perfect :P! And yes ^^ seems good to me, maybe the : is annoying now that is only the icon without the link. But dunno how you see it --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::EDIT: Ahhh i think they look pretty great now :D --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::Okay, cool...I have no preference regarding the colons, so, I'll remove them. I'm just used to using colons in this fashion. Since it's my mess and fiddling, I'll fix the NPC pages with this new format. It's just moving around what's already there, but it's still work that I've generated. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::It is true but i prefer that than an unorganized format :3 i might help you later with some of the NPCs page --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Your transparencies for the NPCs are fantastic. I imagine those will take up enough time xD --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::Thank you ^//^! Hahaha they will, but mostly those that doesnt have a mugshot but a store window, like Bulky and Brinks, those are tedious for not having a "fixed" size so i have to compared them to see if it works, and hate to trace they names xD (why Sullivan, why u have such a long title)- Oh that reminds me, what do you though about "titles" for NPCs? like Sullivan, would be like ''<nowiki>[[Pit Boss]]: Coliseum Rewards Supervisor</nowiki>'' instead of just "Vendor", something that, you can add vendor so the template add the category but if the NPC have a title, like Sullivan or Ricasso, will show that one instead --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::Something like <nowiki>[[Pit Boss]]: [[Vendor|Coliseum Rewards Supervisor]]</nowiki> should work. NPCs can call themselves whatever they want, they're still stingy vendors with terrible prices! :P. I'm thinking we should add a small opinion tag like so: <nowiki>{{Note-VendorEconomics}}</nowiki> that says "{{opinion/small}}: It is often cheaper to obtain the recipe for an item and craft it than it is to buy it from a vendor." --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::Seems good :D. The template could be like:<br>
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:::::::::<nowiki>|type = monster</nowiki><br>
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:::::::::<nowiki>|subtype = Pit Boss</nowiki><br>
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:::::::::<nowiki>|role = vendor</nowiki><br>
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:::::::::<nowiki>|subtitle = Coliseum Rewards Supervisor</nowiki><br>
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:::::::::So we just need to add the subtitle parameter to the pages, i think, im just giving an idea cuz in the end, you are the one who could do the code cuz i failed miserable trying to fix a single px problem x//D. The Note could be added in the Vendor pages instead of each NPC i think :P --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::Wew, tired. More tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::I think adding the subtitle bit could potentially be confusing, since there's so many different kinds. To resolve the potentially never-ending adjustment of SK's updates/dynamic "status quo," I've removed several switches and allowed manual override of the intro phrase, this way, things are a little easier to work with, but editors will have to pay a little more attention to keep things consistent. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC Template==
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It's better to be consistent. Either add the bullet to location too, and remove the duplicates from each individual page, or remove the bullet from the template and add it to each individual page for roles. It is a lot better to have flexibility, so I'd go with the "no bullets in the template" option. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I'm/we're going to have to go in and fix all the pages either way, so before you do more, really decide what to do. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Well, usually NPCS have only one role so it is better if in the role parameter we can add the bullet to the template, because there will be not mistake, its always (havent seen a NPC who have two roles) one role so it will avoid users to mistakenly put a bullet in one page, and not in the other. But in locations is different, usualy a NPC have more than one location, so the bullet needs to be added with the <nowiki>[[Text]]</nowiki> so i though it wouldnt be necesary to add the bullet in location, only in role (all knights have the role without bullet, almost all gremlins too, havent re-checked the rest of them). Oh and im adding a tag of update (to boss template) for those who have NPC's template --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:49, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::I wouldn't bother with the tag...the pages are functioning (this reformat is not vital) and the tag makes it look pretty messy. And I probably won't get to it for a long time. Regarding consistencies, you can't make exceptions with that mindset, otherwise templates would be a mess all over the place. Pick one or the other, and I'll fix the pages. Options are bullets in the template, or no bullets in the template. I would go with no bullets in the template. Mistakes are less likely to be made with copypasting as long as the sources are consistent. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:55, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::Well, in that case, no bullets in the template would be. Im actually doing that right now with the NPCs. So gonna fix all those * before forgetting --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Alright, as long as it's fun. I try very hard to clean up my own messes, even if it's an extrapolation via another editor's good faith work. Since the template is my design, it's my mess. To avoid edit conflicts I'll let you have at it. I'll put in more linking examples for the [[:Template:Fileinfo]]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::::If you want you can but more examples. But it was mostly for the "main item" because the previous template have it and the new didnt. So want to be sure xD. Oh and dont worry about the "mess" i can understand about that so no biggy :) i just want to do things ^^ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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*[[Merchant]]
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Or
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*[[Merchant]]: Elemental Defender
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Or
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*[[Merchant]]
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*Elemental Defender
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Or
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*[[Merchant|Elemental Defender]] (confusing I think)
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Or
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*[[Merchant]] (Elemental Defender)
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For NPCs such as Archilus? The point of this section of the infobox is to state a generalized role, and "elemental defender" doesn't really reveal anything to nubbies, even though it is what he is labelled as in-game. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Will go with the second option<br>
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:*[[Merchant]]: Elemental Defender<br>
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:But, wouldnt it be Vendor? or do i keep Merchant? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Shoot yes, vendor. Argh :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Hahaha though somewhere, sometime, read "do no use Merchant, use vendor instead" so i was confused hhaha. So
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:::*[[Vendor]]: Elemental Defender
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:::Would be :3 --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:30, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::Sounds good to me. And yeah, I think I wrote that, BECAUSE it's so easy to derp like this. Vendor is more appropriate than merchant for an umbrella term, considering both the in-game conventions as well as the real-world definitions. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:32, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Hahaha i think i keep it in mind because when i did a test traslating "Vendors who sell this item" to the ES wiki it give me problems because Sell is Vender and Vendors is Vendedores, the two words sounds the same and sound pretty dumb and redundant in spanish "Vendedores que venden este articulo" hahaha xD so i was like... okay what else i can do *leaves slowly* Im still giving it time till the adquisiton proyect is done so i can think what word i can used to replace "Vendors" or "sell" the one that fits and traslate better xD. Thats is a fun fact now that i think lol. Well going to start copy/editing :3! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:43, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC Page Divisions==
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Don't add repeated sections. The changes made to the various NPC pages divide the page up into repeated, tiny sections (description and appearance are too similar, and NPCs don't have official in-game descriptions anyway like items and certain locations do). We're going to have to revert those changes. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Yikes. How many pages was this done to? I can try to start at the beginning of the alphabet and work forward while you go backwards. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:04, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::But isn't important to said what is the purpose of that NPC? We can change the "description" but we need to said what that NPCs does and/or what its its purpose, and the Notes said "Release/patch notes/game build history, interesting things, etc" not "all info about the npc" right? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 05:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Yes, it's important to have the information. As far as I can tell, this information was already in the notes section for most of these pages. It's not enough information to have its own section, and NPCs don't have official descriptions, so having a description section is both redundant, cluttered looking, and confusing. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Though there is some archaic leftovers from the previous bad format. That's why we're updating the pages - they're inconsistent or nonexistent. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::Well but it seem good with NPCs page with low-info but with alot-info they look clutter (dunno if thats the word, chubby, big, a bus full of people xD). Wikias have a resumen (mostly, what the thing/person/mosnter/ is-do) and then the sub sections, and is a tiny info because the detailed one goes in others sections right? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 05:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Not sure what you mean. Larger sections are superior to smaller sections as long as the information flows and the subject is either relatable, or there's a bunch of small things that don't belong in their own sections (such as a single point of history, if we have a lot of history, then we add a history section). Imagine reading a book with a bunch of unnecessary chapter breaks. You really only want a new section when there's a content change. The point is to divide for the sake of navigation (you can link directly to sections with URLs), and we don't want to do that here because the stuff is too similar and/or too small. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Uhmm, well in that case must be eliminated in ALL rigth? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 05:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::I'm working on carefully fixing [[Archilus]]' page. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::Argh, I said I'd start at the beginning of the alphabet :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:29, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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If you think the page could look better, talk about it here. Argh. The use of "you" in an article is so bad lol. More leftovers from the archaic times. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:31, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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Another minor format issue that is a major personal peeve of mine: overlinking. Terms shouldn't be linked more than once in an article, in general, when you're reading in paragraph format. Exceptions of course include template repeats. More information [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#What_generally_should_not_be_linked here]. I have "remove repeated linking" in more than several edit comments :P --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Well i can undo manually the description implementation and leave it with the info in notes as they (mostly) were. Im doing that right now, and also eliminating the overlinking, but the wording (what u did with archilus) must be other time because going to eat and sleep soon xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 05:36, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I did [[Armero]] so i removed the link in the Dialogue tab (because isnt template). Do that with the others? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 05:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::It's a lot of work keeping the wiki clean, and very painful when you generate more work for yourself. I wish someone would have stopped and helped me when I made [[Themes and Environments|this]] in the past - it was very bad, just check the version history. But all ppl did was say "that's nice" when glancing at it and I never saw the complaint in the discussion tab until years later, and after I'd learned quite a lot.
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Definitely leave the link in the dialogue section tabs. That's part of the template system and it's in its own section - so it's format and convenience. Repeated linking is, as emphasized in the wiki article, mostly an issue when reading/writing in paragraph format. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:41, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Headings_and_sections Here's some more information about sections and section content]. Because we are a gaming wiki, we don't perfectly follow all of wikipedia's conventions (especially with names). We rarely encounter an article that has a section that's too big. Our problem is sections that are too small, because the game has such limited, distinct information. What was the NPC's childhood like? Did they hatch from an egg? All kinds of missing things. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Well that happens xD see me that i just have less than three months. The fact that the OOO-SK team doesnt make a format and practically gives the wiki to whoever wants to edit (if noone would like to edit this wiki would be empty or out-ofdate ALOT) so i dont take it "take serious" (that everything must be perfect) i like consistence but well, mistakes happen xD. I was mostly guiding by the Style Guide's format so, ni the next cases we should be really sure  what looks good, where the <nowiki>[[]]</nowiki> would appear (like, we add the bracet to the gallery caption but later we see its overlinking) and just test it in 3~5 pages, at the end of the week we probably would come out with a consistent format and we can start implemented it. It is mostly because if we took too much testing because we dunno would fit better then we will never end xD. Maybe we can ask in the Forum if we're not sure but nor all people comment, so its a slow to the process. But well, this can all be fixed :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 05:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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I've been thinking about an intro section, because it does LOOK better than notes underneath appearance, but notes should absolutely never be at the top of a page. I have gone to the forums regarding NPCs, but pretty much nobody except me, you, and Ciardha really (currently) care about putting the work into the pages of these guys. It should always be fun, yes, and I am sorry if I sound serious - I try not to sound mean serious, but I often come across as stiff. But yeah...[http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/107407 node 107407] - some outdated discussion mostly about dialogue. I wouldn't reply to the thread, it wouldn't be helpful, but it should show how many individuals just LOVE EDITING NPC PAGES. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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Okay, I poked around wikipedia looking at articles about people, and noticed that a lot of them have obese intro sections. So against my instinct I tried it out on the Barrus and Archilus pages. What do you think? Remember to shrink your window and pretend you have a tiny monitor when looking at these things. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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I didn't think I would like it this way, but I kinda do. It mimics the behavior of a description and lets the "appearance" section flow into the "gallery" section. I'm thinking we should sleep on this before putting any more work into it though. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:16, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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For the HoH vendors appearance, I'm thinking instead of the 5*, we say something like "[[Owlite Shield]] line" etc. and below the template say "Depends on rank." I'll put another test edit in. But definitely should sleep on it. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:33, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I do like it. I think thats what my eyes need xD! Well, after fixing the description's tab i would sleep :) but first, see this [http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/EADI/Aqui/JPEGbarrustest_zpsz91b5dzq.jpg Photoshop Time] i did (800x600) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:36, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:And the HoH Vendors idea is great :D it put all the items without being wrong.
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Then again that might be too repetitive. But leaving it at the 5* is inherently wrong, just as describing Bulky during only the Dark Harvest would be wrong. Argh. Definitely going to sleep on it. And yeah, I always shrink my window when testing new format, there are plenty of phone users out there. We shouldn't cater to that because we are a wiki with a huge amount of information but we should make sure pages are squishy.
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Admittedly I am disappointed that Zebulon's chromalisk tank is always a little baby, and not scaled to tier. I kid. The fact they all change outfits is amazing. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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[http://data.grammarbook.com/blog/apostrophes/apostrophes-with-words-ending-in-s/ Here I am staring at apostrophes at 1:45 in the morning] regarding Archilus's vs. Archilus'. Goodnight. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:45, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Lol xD. Well, as a Spanish user, Archilus's is better. But in grammar, i cant give much feedback, not a pro and i cant spell words like "appearance" without thinking twice xD. Nite~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:50, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Yeah it doesn't matter either way, so let's use the one that is better for more languages. Even though it's the Eng wiki. I have done a few more modifications to <nowiki>Archilus's'ss''s's</nowiki> page, take a look. I've uploaded pictures of Archilus so we can really see what the page will look like when it's finished. IDK if you were really gunning to do those, so I only did them for Archilus just for page testing. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 18:22, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Its awesome~ And notes could be added "if any" like the dialogue and wares. Wegner is a good NPCpage to test, he have info + history (and i super mega support the format of history in wegner for all pages!). Biscotti and Kozma could be used for test too. I support this format :). --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC Format: Newer==
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So, I know before we discussed heavily the NPC page format, but now that we've actually been working with pages, it's of course run into several hiccups. I've decided to move the gallery down to the bottom (many game/anime wikis have a gallery at the bottom, my favorite is [http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Dave_Strider pages such as this one on the Homestuck wiki], but they put their "notes" ([http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/102232 trivia, which SK editors have decided to wipe out, replacing with notes]) under the gallery, which looks bad for our wiki because we don't use Wikia's base chassis.
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So I've adjusted Wegner and Archilus again...what do you think now? Wares are closer to the top...which for some NPCs, especially Basil, is more desired information anyway.
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I might not be able to do much today. Big tummy ache. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:43, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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Yeah, I am liking the gallery on the bottom much better. It's a consistent format with other wikis and equipment pages such as [[Obsidian Edge]]. The only pages that seem to break it are pages such as [[Bolted Vee]] and so on, but that's essentially a giant sortable gallery that potentially expands down forever, so having any information besides "see also" after such a thing would be very inconvenient. What I'm annoyed about now is the history section, some NPCs have a lot, most don't, but it should be in the same location on the page so people can find the information easily. But then we end up with ittybitty sections. Just argh. How I got around this before was the notes section. It's all very frustrating. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Well it now fit with other page's format like weapons page right? A short organization would be:
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*(What is, what does, etc, descirption but without tab)
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*Appearance (with template if its knight)
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*Wares (if any)
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*Dialogue (if any)
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*Notes (if any, and if there is notes)
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**History (if any)
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*Gallery
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*See Also
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Right? I add "notes" because it could be:
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<pre>
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==Notes==
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===History===
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Text
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</pre>
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If there is only history, wegner could be:
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<pre>
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==Notes==
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Allusions
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===History===
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Text
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</pre>
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Well, i said it to keep all as the same, and keep History with thre === right? or we can add Notes, History, Gallery with all having ==
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But we can discuss that later :) im taking care of the images so u can rest for your tummy ache ^^ take medicine to gel well~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:I have incorporated this into "test 2" edits of Wegner and Archilus pages. I am a stubborn type... if I suddenly stop editing, you'll know why. Napping off the tummy ache. If you think test 2 edits look good, I'll try them out on a few other NPC pages I think will be problematic. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Test 3 puts the dialogue above the gallery below notes. I think I'd be happy with this overall. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:26, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Test 3. Dialogue between notes and gallery looks good! Not all notes-info above (in "description") but neither no-info. Just a little thing, we should write "Town Square" not "Haven Town Square", same with others (Like Garrison and Bazaar) it only exist one of each, and, in the strange case somehow SK release a new town with another town square/garrison/bazaar, take in count that we can make redirects and still, need to create new pages like Town Square (Haven, and Town Square (NewCity) xD So i think we are safe to put Town Square, Garrison, Bazaar, Arcade, and so on, only, not "Haven Bazaar" or that. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Yeah, I agree. No need for Haven before these areas. We can always fix it later in the extremely unlikely event they make more elaborate towns outside of Haven. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:14, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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::::Okay then :3! Im not gonna add the format because we're still testing it but only fix those Haven Etc that were left behind because i fix some yesterday. Hope you feel better with your ache ^^! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:22, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC Format: almost there!?==
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Oh I remember why I started doing "Haven Town Square" etc. - it was because of the "Arcade" mission/exploration interface vs. the [[Haven Arcade]] location in Haven. Oh well. What do? --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 11:10, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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After much napping upon this issue, I find myself most pleased with Archilus' page format. This would result in [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Template:Page/NPC&oldid=227757 this format] (I restored the linking in the brackets, as that's part of a template system and is convenient per section - overlinking is mostly an issue in paragraph format). If you agree with this layout, I will press forward with changes. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 10:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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I have made what I think is a better, less repetitive, more clear, less confusing, blahblah template for vendors. It needed to be done because their format is so...not in-sync with the rest of the wiki. It's still very beta, but I stuck it on Archilus' page for testing. What do you think so far? It might influence our format decisions. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 22:19, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
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I have also put a demo on [[Talk:Brinks]] because he has an inventory with a lot of item type variety. My main goal is to ensure players understand that the vendor sells an ITEM, vs. a RECIPE for that item, and to make sure they don't miss that certain items can be bought with different things - Rock Salt for example, or Dark Harvest Prize Boxes for different candy tokens, and so on. If you like the format, feel free to make more entries, cross-referencing with in-game proofs and [[User:MissNice#Wiki_Data_Area|Miss-Nice's data]] to make sure it's up to date, because many pages are out of date. Or say you don't like it/there's problems.
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And finally, how does this vendor list template influence our decision with the NPC page general format? (Should it be called WaresList instead?) I continue to prefer [http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Archilus&oldid=227856 this version of Archilus] the most. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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Considering the nature of the vendorlist template, and the general format of the entire wiki (players will likely try to find items via the main lists or the item pages, not NPC pages), I'm thinking it would be best to put wares on the bottom, above "See Also." The logic is the same as other pages with lists - lists are large and potentially forever-downward expanding, having content besides "see also" after lists isn't prudent. It also makes sense, because many lists are essentially sortable galleries (something I mentioned previously), though vendor lists are not as gallery-like as others. As soon as we agree, I'll make the changes, since I'm the one making a fuss about it and it would ultimately be my mess.
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*[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Archilus&oldid=227870 this version of Archilus, which I currently like the most]
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*[http://wiki.spiralknights.com/index.php?title=Archilus&oldid=227856 this version of Archilus, which I like a lot, but now, not as much as the one above]
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I think letting the gallery have more than 3 per row really makes a huge difference, we just have to be careful, because not everyone has a large monitor. It looks fine on my laptop, which has a rather small screen. It will be horrid for phone browsers, but since this is a gaming wiki with a lot of information, catering to phones isn't prudent.
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Hey Nova~ how r u? ive been busy this days, well, i prefer the current version, the table does look a little big but i like it :) consistency :3. But i would change Notes for another word, and change the text to just Rank #-# because the "this items become etc etc" looks repetitive and innesesary, i put my browser tinier and make it "wider" (i think thats the word xD) but dunno which word can replace notes. On other news, i did update Brinks's inventory some weeks ago with MissNice's screen :) so its on date. Uhmmmm what else.... Oh well, Archilus' current page looks good, galery with 3 rows, wares at the bottom below see also. And the template of wares lookds good :) the name of the template its good, vendor sounds find. Gonna try to do some things before my free time runs out lol xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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::What about the table on [[Talk:Brinks]]? Good? Bad? If Archilus' current page is fine, I will go ahead with the changes. I've made the HoH statement per row part of the vendorlist template, so we can easily change it whenever we want. And due to the arcade vs. Haven arcade thing, I think we should stick with Haven Garrison, Haven Town Square, etc. - because I remembered why I started doing it. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 02:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Brinks is good :) but cost should be sorted so we can see the minimun. And about Haven (place) well, i did erase the ones i saw xD but ther is some other i didnt. Should stick forever with Have *place* then xD. In another note, i will probably wont be editing in a long time so thats why i been inactive, and probable will take a while till i can edit again :( i will try to finsih the transparency of the NPCs thats left tho --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 01:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Oh nu. Well, I'm sure the transparencies will be bootyfull :). Regarding the sortability of the cost column, I was hoping to just maintain least to greatest (least at top, increasing down, within currency types) within the list, since sortability is very dumb unless you force it in the code (depends on first number in a number string, not the value of the entire number string directly) - and dual payment methods with more than one token type complicates things further. I can try to work it out if it's that important. In the meantime, looks like I have a ton of editing to do and no excuse to not do it! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Oh well if it is a pain to do then doesnt need to :) though it would be simple to add but ur are right xD. Still the rest of the table is perfect :3! --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 03:05, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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==NPC Page Format v. 3.1==
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It seems to be going well. For the galleries, I'm thinking we could move what I view as a redundant bit:
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:"NAME" as they appear in (the) "PLACE."
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:::Could be instead:
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--[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh, i was looking at the recent changes to see what switches did you mean, i think i know which ones now xD. I like it now! Much better i think, the "role" is more importante alone than with the "NPC:". And about the galliers, yeah those were a bit redundant (and kinda long xD) i was going to said the "PAGENAME" would be redundant too buuut without it, i dunno, it doesnt look good. I vote for what you proposed: <nowiki>"PAGENAME" in (the) [[PLACE]]</nowiki>. Will going to change it in the format template :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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:PD: oh and about titles, is a shame :( i dunno i like those titles! But what you said makes sense --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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::Thanks :). The [[Spiral Warden]] page took a lot more work than I thought it would (had to find proof for eeeeeeverything and I'm still very uncertain about the release dates). I'm logging off the wiki for today, well, regarding major edits. There's still more work to be done with the page, especially with images and individual page format (nobody made a page for [[Virgil]]?!), which I probably won't get to for a while, but I'll try tomorrow. Have fun! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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== Image Information ==
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I feel that image information is a project for way down the road (the idea to do them popped into my head a while ago, after seeing images around other wikis where people had items that weren't the focus of the image and not knowing what they were was driving me insane). I'll certainly help with them, but right now NPCs, Monsters, and then Areas are taking priority. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh yeah, im just finishing it because i left it in the half. I have a little time so i try to finished it if i can but for new overworld's file it could be added (at least, a note of item without the template) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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::As long as it's fun. I was worried it was being unfun based on the comment for help xD. I'm off for tonight, going to try to do one NPC page a day until they're done. The problem with these things is that they get all tangential with other topics, and I think I'll have to finish fixing Punch tomorrow. Really wish that Variant Forge interface wasn't so convoluted with the ticket icons. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Ohhh haha dont worry :) wouldnt do it if it wasnt fun. Gambatte~ with the NPC's pages, sorry i cant help with that ^^U! Nite~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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:::Misc seems like an option, but, to be correctly sorted, Trinket/Acquisition its the best, i mean, what is another template for this wiki? also know this could help in the future --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
:::Misc seems like an option, but, to be correctly sorted, Trinket/Acquisition its the best, i mean, what is another template for this wiki? also know this could help in the future --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
::::Go for it wooo. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
::::Go for it wooo. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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== NPC Data Gathering ==
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Hey Hikaru, doing well? =) Listen, I'm gonna be busy with work from now on, so I want to get this NPC data gathering over with, but I'll need some help finishing this up. Any ideas or suggestions? -[[User:MissNice|MissNice]] 21:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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:Since it turned out that way, go here: [[User_talk:MissNice#NPC_Data_Gathering:|my talk page]]. -[[User:MissNice|MissNice]] 17:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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::Sorry i couldnt reply! Was busy this days, im fine how r u :)? was reading the talk page. seems good, gonna keep watching it for more info. I will try to do some of these things because i do not have much time today, probably, neither tomorrow, but i will try to do the much things i could do about that! Thx for the info Miss~ Let me write in ur talk page~ --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 
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Do not refer to the format on published pages. If it's the same, it's just coincidence or leftovers from testing when this project had higher priority. Stick to the examples already in the template. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 
Do not refer to the format on published pages. If it's the same, it's just coincidence or leftovers from testing when this project had higher priority. Stick to the examples already in the template. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 
:Ok then, so * and : in the template. And from now i will ask in ur talk page. I just dont want to make spam in ur page. Wish this could have like a mini tiny chat lol sorry. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 
:Ok then, so * and : in the template. And from now i will ask in ur talk page. I just dont want to make spam in ur page. Wish this could have like a mini tiny chat lol sorry. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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So these projects really spread into each other don't they? Wiki is a giant forest full of weeds and things that need trimming. I finally got around to making the NPC infobox (something I mentioned doing idk, in January 2015? lol). I've made documentation for it and implemented it on [[Vaelyn]]'s page. The reason gallery is before wares/dialogue is because those are list format entries, and can extend quite a ways down, and we like to end lists with only "see also" so users are less likely to miss things, or have to scroll to get to additional important information that's not part of list(s). This format is all over the wiki, as per...some discussion on the forums somewhere. Examples are found on individual costume and accessory pages and uh...other places. Items such as the [[Node Slime Crusher]] and stuffs. Anyway this should make the pages look really clean, so if you/other editors feel the need to work on NPCs, there's now a standard to go by. I think this is the last thing that was on my mind to get settled before I leave tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Yeah i was seeing :D! Vaelyn's page looks clean now. I love the infobox, they are really useful. And yeah XD its huge, i was like "lalala" in the missions and then pump into NPCs so i was like "uhmm.... vaelyn is so pretty, let me fix her page" and then Konway appear too, then Feron and i was like "ok maybe i need to fix some NPCs before moving on into missiones..." xD. Glad u add that cuz i was about to fix almost all NPC's page xD. Oh and btw, i was thinking in where i have seen Kora overworld to get a clean screen of her mugshot, do u remember? i cant xD only in comlinks. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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::Kora's in Hall of Heroes I think, the last one where they're all clapping. So, the template should work for complicated characters such as [[Herex]], who is fought as a boss only sometimes, let me know if there's any issues. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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Hey there, still on vacation, but I had a moment here. If the NPC is a type of NPC, it needs to be in list format. For example, Nature Sprites and Spiral Wardens are types of NPCs, while "Virgil" is the name of a spiral warden type NPC. The difference becomes difficult to discern when the representatives of an NPC "species" or "race" or "type" don't have their own names, simply using the npc type in the dialogue box. I set up a demo format on [[Lost Soul of Almire]] and [[Lost Soul (Skull)]] pages, hoping to improve on the [[stranger]] page format (Which is horribly out of date and should not be redirected to "strangers", and be "Stranger," as per wiki MoS), but didn't get to it before vacation. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 04:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Hey Nova~! Well [[User:Thepc|Thepc]] warning me about it, but i didnt know Nature Sprite would be in list format. I wanted to left Spiral Warden at the end to make it good. I can leave Spiral Warden and Nature Sprite as list (aaaaand dunno if would be the same with Knight, Gremlins, Bosses and etc) but i didnt get it, should i change Strangers for Stranger (move the page) and list ALL strangers there? BUT their pages remain the same? as Individuals? --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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'''P.D.:''' Bosses remain with Boss template or should i change? Feels like to change it but dunno --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br>
 
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'''P.D:''' [[Strangers]] is that what you were saying? x//x --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 07:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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::It's looking like my vacation is going to be cut short, so, you can just leave it till then. Should be half a week or so before I get back. Maybe Thurs. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 16:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::Ohh i see, that was pretty short :o! Well i will keep doing a few things then :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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I'm just staring at recent changes procrastinating doing laundry. I will likely get to polishing the NPC stuff later today or tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:07, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Hey there x3! haha i imagine! Was looking foward to it x3! But take your time, today im working in the spanish wiki and tomorrow i will be busy so i will can't <!-- Will can't doesnt sound like a good word buuuut i cant remember the correct one xD --> help you. Eat, rest so tomorrow you will be frash and ready :o! haha --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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[[Vaelyn|Boop]]. So NPCs that don't use equipment (knights or otherwise) would just use a paragraph format to describe them within the new [[:Template:Appearance]], similar to but not as involved as, say, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Biology this description of Bulbasaur on Bulbapedia]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:30, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Seems good to me :D but i find "redundant" the ''<nowiki>(Icon) [[Armor]]: Information</nowiki>'' what about ''<nowiki>(Icon *with link and alttext*): Information</nowiki>''. Icons speak for themselves aaaaand in a weird case that someone doesnt know what that icon means, they can click and the link page will tell them. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 20:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::Hmm, so, try viewing the most recent version of Vaelyn's page. Is that better? I'm a bit annoyed by the lack of a uniform weapon icon, so I'm just using the sword for now since it's iconic for the whole game anyway. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::The Sword, as i read the main list of swords, its the "main" weapon of Spiral Knight, so i think the sword icon is perfect :P! And yes ^^ seems good to me, maybe the : is annoying now that is only the icon without the link. But dunno how you see it --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::EDIT: Ahhh i think they look pretty great now :D --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::Okay, cool...I have no preference regarding the colons, so, I'll remove them. I'm just used to using colons in this fashion. Since it's my mess and fiddling, I'll fix the NPC pages with this new format. It's just moving around what's already there, but it's still work that I've generated. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::::It is true but i prefer that than an unorganized format :3 i might help you later with some of the NPCs page --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::::Your transparencies for the NPCs are fantastic. I imagine those will take up enough time xD --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::::::Thank you ^//^! Hahaha they will, but mostly those that doesnt have a mugshot but a store window, like Bulky and Brinks, those are tedious for not having a "fixed" size so i have to compared them to see if it works, and hate to trace they names xD (why Sullivan, why u have such a long title)- Oh that reminds me, what do you though about "titles" for NPCs? like Sullivan, would be like ''<nowiki>[[Pit Boss]]: Coliseum Rewards Supervisor</nowiki>'' instead of just "Vendor", something that, you can add vendor so the template add the category but if the NPC have a title, like Sullivan or Ricasso, will show that one instead --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::::::Something like <nowiki>[[Pit Boss]]: [[Vendor|Coliseum Rewards Supervisor]]</nowiki> should work. NPCs can call themselves whatever they want, they're still stingy vendors with terrible prices! :P. I'm thinking we should add a small opinion tag like so: {{Note-VendorEconomics}} that says "{{opinion/small}}: It is often cheaper to obtain the recipe for an item and craft it than it is to buy it from a vendor." --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::::::::So we just need to add the subtitle parameter to the pages, i think, im just giving an idea cuz in the end, you are the one who could do the code cuz i failed miserable trying to fix a single px problem x//D. The Note could be added in the Vendor pages instead of each NPC i think :P --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 21:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::::::::Wew, tired. More tomorrow. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::::::::I think adding the subtitle bit could potentially be confusing, since there's so many different kinds. To resolve the potentially never-ending adjustment of SK's updates/dynamic "status quo," I've removed several switches and allowed manual override of the intro phrase, this way, things are a little easier to work with, but editors will have to pay a little more attention to keep things consistent. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 21:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Oh, i was looking at the recent changes to see what switches did you mean, i think i know which ones now xD. I like it now! Much better i think, the "role" is more importante alone than with the "NPC:". And about the galliers, yeah those were a bit redundant (and kinda long xD) i was going to said the "PAGENAME" would be redundant too buuut without it, i dunno, it doesnt look good. I vote for what you proposed: <nowiki>"PAGENAME" in (the) [[PLACE]]</nowiki>. Will going to change it in the format template :) --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:PD: oh and about titles, is a shame :( i dunno i like those titles! But what you said makes sense --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::Thanks :). The [[Spiral Warden]] page took a lot more work than I thought it would (had to find proof for eeeeeeverything and I'm still very uncertain about the release dates). I'm logging off the wiki for today, well, regarding major edits. There's still more work to be done with the page, especially with images and individual page format (nobody made a page for [[Virgil]]?!), which I probably won't get to for a while, but I'll try tomorrow. Have fun! --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 01:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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For a not-soon-to-be-made (maybe-probably-never-happen) if i have time and everything seems pretty. It would be nice to have a "History" page. I havent read complety the history (from mission) but would be nice. With the Dialogues u made seems like a good choice. As u said with the mission page "like a book" i think in that but in the history timeline or something like that. Ofcourse that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far away haha but after the edits u made seems like it wouldnt be so bad cuz adding dialogues would be easily :P and artific now have their own templates --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:I like to use [[Release/all]] and maintain the [[News]] page, but there's lots of things they don't make patch notes about. Unless you mean like, lore history, of almire and whatnot. That stuff is all over the place, and yes, an article linking to and summarizing lore/history would be sweet. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Oh look I found [[:Category:Lore|this]]. It's a start. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 00:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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::I had to google that! New Word to me haha. That is what i meant! In a... Timeline format or an informative format something like, a page to talk only about the history of the game, now i know "Lore" would capsule all what i was saying haha. Im a dork for those thing haha but ofcourse, i prefer organizing the information that is like a future-not-soon-proyect i would like to help with :)!--[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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There's an example. Thoughts? Trying to find a balance between mimicking the in-game interface and being usable on the wiki. Recon modules were easier, echo stones are weird. Might end up just simplifying it. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 05:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:I dont see anything that will affect the wiki, actually mimicking the game interface is something that makes them nice :). But sadly i dont know how much echo stone mimic the game cuz i have never been in Shadow Lair u//u! Buuuut the Recon Module mimic the in-game perfectly (taking in count what wiki can make and not) So for those that have not went to Shadow Lair is a good thing that can see at least how will it look :3 --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:07, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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::Yeah it's this whole interactive thing that takes up the whole screen D: --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 06:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::But it looks good on a screen from tablet/cellphone/etc and from a normal computer, even with 1024x768 resolutions, it fit xD. Well i saw the page in my phone (The screen is not huge but neither is small) and in my computer i have 1920x1080 resolution but i resizer the window to test it and still is enough space :P! Maaaaybe, 800x600 will see snuggly but in phone looks good so 800x600 would be okay too --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 06:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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We are developing a format for areas - [http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/111949 here] if you want to feedback. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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:The mistakes is the awesome part hahaha, no need to check one by one which is awesome :D! I was reading the post, i already voted and give a feedback of what i think :P --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 00:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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This opal stuff might take a while to get pics of, I have a feeling not many will be unboxed. Also I have a tummy ache. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Okay then~ Btw, i have to admit Opal Aura looks cool, but im kinda sad its just prize box what the game is giving :(! Later i could do the "new prize box"'s work to help you. Rest for your ache :) sure is annoying D: --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 19:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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::Yeah I'm going to go do that. Only edit if it's fun, it's not fun for me right now xD --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 19:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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Merp, opinion on [[Template talk:Eventexpired|this]]? In short, it doesn't make sense to have it for certain things and not others, and it interrupts the flow of a page in an unneeded manner. I only support the reskin tag because it might save players some actual cash to get the less expensive version. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 20:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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: Just left a vote :3 i usually forgot discussions pages exist outsite user's pages xD --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 22:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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Done~ Btw, talking about allusions, im pretty sure the new Smashing Moustache is a reference to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iKrTNX6OE Nigel Thornberry]'s meme. --[[User:HikaruFer|Hikaru]] 23:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iKrTNX6OE I've been wondering about how to word it]. --[[User:Novaster|Novaster]] 23:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 
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